Suction Cup Man vs Dedan (Suction Cup Man VS OFF)

   

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“It’s hard to beat a person who never gives up”
-Babe Ruth-

Suction Cup Man

“The Best known tower climber in America.”

Dedan

“The erratic guardian of Zone one.”

When your ego reaches a new high, people will be there to knock you down a peg, and when someone with an ego so big they deem themself a god has to deal with… an annoying piece of shit, who is to come out on top? Will Suction Cup Man CLIMB up Dedan's massive ego and take him down? Or. Will Dedan put an end to the annoying legend of the Suction Cup Man?

Find out now, on a KFR!

Before We Start

But first…

A CONTENT WARNING BABYYYY (Also jumpscare warning)

Oh boy… What a tricky thing to talk about ey?

I want to start this off by saying, while i am an avid OFF fan this blog is in no way biased, or tilted at all, I have multiple OFF scalers who have helped me remove any bias in any of these statements or scaling, think of this as the definitive OFF blog, as we are going through basically everything, every translation, every version etc (offical spanish version) (Original official english version.. As linked on the internet archive), things like the news letters will also be looked through and as more come along the blog will be updated with, Mortis Ghost statements will be used as well as any OFF related streams or QnA’s for extra research and added context, and if the OF comic comes out while we write this then that will be used as well, however i think this goes without saying, the French/English versions of the game will be taking full priority, as both of those were fully written by mortis, and translated by people close to him, and therefore can be considered the “Main” canon of OFF, things like mortis’ twitter (and tumblr) will also be looked through for any statements/replies, yes i know thats weird but fuck.. Heh.. OFF.

        (Mortis’ socials)

Suction cup man is pretty usual, there's his canonical series which will be gone over fully, this includes the original Suction cup man video as well as promotional material… actually speaking OF(f) promotional material, we’ll also be going over the official piemations cardgame, which Suction cup man has played a role in, of course that’ll be explained before the verdict, other piemation animations will also be looked over but that's for the before the verdict, as for explicit media things like the Suction cup man streams will also be looked through for more context on certain things, slice of piemations should also be fair game considering it has multiple pieces of Suction cup man related media, also the piemation twitter account will be skimmed through as a lot of media which comes out of suctioncupman are just jokes posted to the twitter itself, also mike and robin like answering questions over there so

“So how’s this fight even going to play out?” I hear you ask, simply put, both are given full access to their arsonals, and non-standard equipment, this is just to make the blog more interesting, also leeway will be given to both around certain abilities, and feats of power, so things like scaling will be explained, however leeway will be given to those type of “ehhh maybe??” scales, such as Dedan scaling to the Batter or something similar, without giving too much away because well, you’re about to read the blog, Both will be at the peak of their power, so most outliers will be dismissed and then explained before the verdict for the most fair comparison.

• Why this matchup rocks:

• Suction Cup Man is known for knocking down people with huge egos down a peg or two, this is like his main thing, it’s all about the ragebait afterall, this plays pretty perfectly into Dedan who just has a huge ego, and is pretty vocal about it, so it’s very likely they just get into a swearing match mid fight.

• Both swear a lot btw lmao…

• (DONT ASK WHAT DEDAN SAYS BEFORE HIS FIGHT IN THE EARLY BUILDS)
• (DONT ASK WHAT SUCTION CUP MAN CALLS KIM)

• Both are very physical in how they do things, and SCM’s immortality plays pretty well into Dedan's crushing force.
• There's a bunch of gags you can add into the fight based upon their pretty big arsenals, references and random items would be pretty funny.
• I feel like the interaction potential for this fight far surpasses anything which Cupman has for other matchups, especially considering Cupman would actually have things to go after Dedan about

• Other matchups will be talked about at the end of the blog
• This includes OFF mus as a broader scope
• Same goes for Suction Cup Man

• Yeah… this mu is just vibes based idk what to tell you brah.

Background

Suction Cup Man

“Look at me go!”

On August 10th, 2016, a man named Stephen Rogata was spotted outside the fifth floor window of the Trump Tower in New York City. He scaled sixteen floors of the building with industrial suction cups before being apprehended by police at 6:30 PM that evening. Mike Pitts thought the incident was hilarious, and thus prefaces the birth of Suction Cup Man!

Climbing towers for just the thrill, and getting to the top floor Suction Cup Man is not new to anything business related, and I mean, well his usual run ins with Guy Business the owner of a cleaning factory Suction Cupman would ragebait him to falling to his well, not death but into breaking every bone in his body, while on the ground Cupman of course, is taken down by a perfect shot from an officer on the ground, of course even after falling like 20 floors, because you cannot kill the Cupman he gets right back up!

After this a vague amount of time passes and Suction Cup Man is recruited by the American government, due to his skill and immortality he was tasked with taking down a North Korean mistle test which would’ve caused world war 3, of course in usual fashion, Suction Cup Man would ragebait…Kim Jong Un? Yeah, after his heated argument with Kim, Kim would launch the missile and Suction Cup Man would climb to stop it while flying?…you expect it to end well, but nope—of course it didn’t, Suction Cup Man would fly with a parachute and successfully land somewhere else, in the meantime continue to annoy Mr. Business Guy.

After presumably a few days later, while climbing up Guy Businesses tower… again, and after their usual banter, Guy Business uses something he had been working on for a couple days, a all new “ANTI-SUCTIONCUP” fluid, which he promptly uses to unstick his suction cups, sending him flying away, but luckily for Suction cup man, he has his handy dandy parachute and… wait, wait WATCH OUT THATS THE ROAD-

… But luckily for Suction cup man, he’s immortal! After being sent to hell and doing his usual bit of making fun of the LITERAL Devil, he climbs his way out of hell, just being y'know immortal and all is pretty helpful when your body is crushed by two cars, anyways, after coming back to life the first thing he does is immediately go back to climbing.

After resorting to all other options Guy Business decides to go fully nuclear, sending a cease and desist to Cupman, sending him to court, and after winning the case the Judge orders Cup man to lose any and all climbing grade suction cups, which… As you'd expect completely ruins his life, and after trying every other climbing tool which isn’t a suction cup, and all fails he gives up on life and gets into Knot tying!... Yeah, after everything and being consoled by a NOT-hot topic worker, Suction cup man is given a new catalog, one which holds suction cups, which aren’t climbing grade, but rather… DILDOS, deeming himself the PENIS MAN, and after bargaining with Guy Business, he agrees to drop the case if Cupman only climbs his building on the weekends.

After some MORE time, Suction cup man while climbing Guy Businesses tower to see the sunset encounters a very territorial bird, a bird named Bagel, which upon seeing cupman trying to climb his part of the tower fights him off, by slamming him to the ground or outright, of course the ever-so immortal Cupman continued to fight back against such a bird, before destroying the Bird’s nest, and after getting his ass handed to him again, and preparing to kill the thing with a crowbar, he releases how petty he’s being, towards a little animal… So he gives the bird his helmet as a new nest, and after making up with Bagel, they both climb to the top of the tower together, to see the sunset, a new tomorrow…

And though there will be many more adventures to come, there will always be hope for a new tomorrow, just LOOK AT HIM GO!.

Dedan

“WHAT PART OF “i am GOING to kill you” DONT YOU UNDERSTAND???”

On May 14th, 2008, the world would change, a small indie game created by one Mortis Ghost would be released to the public, that game would go by the the name “OFF” a post apocalyptic world covered by the nothingness, the earth submerged into the darkest shadows, and the whispers of the unknown, in that world three dreamers would come into existence under the order of the Queen, created by a small child, those three dreamers began to wish, their wish was to create a new world, and own their own countries, the Phoenix Japhet, who wished to save his people and keep them happy, the Titan Enoch, who wished to keep his people well fed, and our main focus, the Tall Mister Dedan. Who wished to rule a country of immeasurable size.

Dedan like the other three dreamers would create their own worlds, classifying them as Zones, and under the Queens infinite power would begin to shape the cities which contain their people, Dedan like the other zone guardians would slowly being to fall to their mental corruption, Enoch was too greedy, Japhet was too controlling, and Dedan slowly became too wrathful, his lust for more and more power would consume him as slowly his perfect world would dissolve.

Elsen, Damien, and Alma, those were the three parts of his beautiful country which would slowly fall into disrepair, the worlds he had worked so hard on would quickly fill the hair with smoke, the walls made of metal would crunch together, and the plastic which made the seas roar would halt to a slow, sound wave, the nothingness around them would continue to grow, and Dedan would do absolutely nothing about it, although the smoke mines which released the very air they breathed would begin to fill with demons, spectres, beasts of unknown origin.

His world, his country, his universe would fall into despair people would only feel fear, the only reason they existed was to work, to work, and to work, the harder they worked the easier their own world would become, and the easier became the less work they would have to do, the very core of the world Dedan had created, one where he said would make people happy, only gives it to those who work, lay low, and know connections, a world where people would hate each other, sell the other out, and only believe themselves to be deserving of what had been made by others.

However, one day, that world would change, in a far off land across the sea of nothingness, a being was created, the man who had left that false family with the child, Dedan did not care for the child anymore, nor did he want to remember, he had a country to run, but his ignorance, would always be his downfall, the father, no, the guardian, no the caretaker, whatever it was, whatever it had meant to represent had changed, corrupted for the worse, it had taken to a holy mission, to purify the wicked, to purify the spectres of the world, and to destroy them all, returning them to the nothingness.

As per the state of their world as a simple video game, the Batter simply became a puppet to be used, to be manipulated by the person beyond their entire world they would travel through zone 0, and eventually would make it to zone 1, Dedans home, his world, as the Queens advisor it became his role to take care of the zones, to make them work as intended, but most elsen got on his nerves, and he refused to help them in anyway, and after an outburst, the Batter would take note of this and deem Dedan as a spectre, someone to be purified and removed from reality.

Dedan wouldn’t let such a person exist in his world, not his zone, but to give this being a chance he let the spectre go, that hulking beast wouldn’t live long anyways, the people who he had helped create would take the Batter down for him, allowing for him to continue in his work, but that's not what happened, seemingly following him, the Batter would engage in a fight with Dedan and in that fight Dedan would lose, the Batter being able to constantly come back, the damage, the timing, it was all off, Dedan had forgotten what day it was anyway, had it been days since the scorched earth was remade? Or was it months, years? The world didn’t make sense anyways, any because of that inaction Dedan would of course die.

But without him, his world would destabilize, even if Dedan was evil, even if he was a tyrant, an evil ruler who would do anything to rule his world, he still had a body, a soul, a mouth, and he had subjects, who had done nothing wrong other than live in a world governed by him.

Dedan had been a good person, but now he was simply just another spectre, and the other Zone Guardians would follow suit, Japhet would fall soon after, taken down for his control over the Spectres, Enoch would be destroyed hours later, while he was strong, stronger than everyone else, his body was too large to sustain its own weight, and trapped, there was no way for him to fight back, and he would fall as well.

Finally after everyone was purified, all cruelty in the world gone, only one monster would remain, the Batter, who had chosen to finish his purification, taking down the Judge, and finally flipping the OFF switch, the very world destroyed.

But even after a ruined world, with nothing left of reality, we can always look back, to see what we’ve accomplished, we made ends meet, and deadlines early, so fight him if you dare, because Dedan WILL Kill you.

Experience

Suction Cup Man

Suction cup man of course has a lot of experience under his belt, I mean, his existence is just ragebait, he’s pretty good at it to like when he made north korean leader kim go into a fit of rage, he’s been shown to climb towers really easily which most people are completely unable to do, I mean he was also recognized by the american pedofile in office, which is somewhat impressive.

He climbs basically every single day of his life, and has some pretty quick learning, like when he learned how to use a grappling hook (to no avail) in a couple hours, and in maybe that same day learned how to tie a non descript and not allegory for anything knot.

He does basically anything just to be as petty as possible so getting him to stop something he has his mind set on is basically impossible, that's not to say he has no fighting experience either, he’s fought people with similar experience (even though he lost) pretty evenly, and he’s quite the handyman of course.

Dedan

Dedan isn’t that math smart, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t smart, Dedan is able to use the art of Purification, something which is regarded as a difficult thing to learn, in fact, Dedan himself was so sure that the Batter couldn’t be able to kill the spectres that he was confident he would die the moment he tried to purifying the barns.

Dedan himself states that nobody but the Queen’s officers like himself are able to erase the ghosts, speaking of that, he himself had been chosen by the Queen to deal with the spectres, meaning he has to be skilled at the bare minimum. He’s also been able to fight off multiple specters at once, and Dedan himself was able to go toe to toe with the Batter and Alpha, while he eventually gets beaten he absolutely is able to put up a good fight.

Equipment

Suction Cup Man

Suction Cups

Ah, probably the most notable things about mister Cupman, and definitely the most important, Suction Cup Man has your every day Suction Cups, but, these aren’t just your everyday Suction Cups, because I LIED, while sure these things can do the usual holding onto glass, they can also hold onto wood ceilings, or even the metal of an actual missile, of course being on that  missile is pretty impressive, but that doesn’t mean anything when they continued to stick to the missile after it fell and smashed into the ground at mach speeds, and if he ever loses or something happens to them, which is already incredibly unlikely, he has hundreds if not thousands of these things inside of his home, now all of this is crazy, but what’s even crazier is that they outright break the laws of physics itself, that's right, these things just stick to anything as long as there's a surface, doesn’t matter if that’s not how physics work, because… FUCK PHYSICS IM SUCTION CUP MAN DADADADAH

Parachute

Just in case, and as a sort of safety precaution, Suction Cup Man has a parachute which he can seemingly just release whenever to keep him safe if he falls from a big height

Musical Items

Hey Blogger, I wrote you a song, it goes a little like this! oh your a bitch a bitch a bitch a bitch a BITCCHHH *awesome harmonica solo*

Tools n stuff

Cupman has shown trying multiple versions of climbing materials, all of which can do different things, like a grappling hook for throwing, a latter for simple climbing, although it doesn’t satiate his need for climbing, a vacuum cleaner which was able to keep him going upwards for a bit, a bunch of duct tape which is relatively useless, glue which… ow, climbing pickaxes for just a final bit of fun, he should also be able to use these at any time considering he was able to pull out a crowbar from nowhere which he usually doesn’t have on him.

Dildos…

After losing everything, Suction Cup Man goes to a bdsm store to buy some rope for… knot tying of course, but during that he gets a catalog of specifically non climbing grade Dildos, which help him get his sweet sweet revenge on Guy business, and of course, it’s good to always come prepared

Bagel the Pidgeon

A bird Suction cup man ran into trouble with before, pretty smart when it wants to do something, uses its agility to its advantage to keep ahead of its foes, was able to take a hit from Suction cup man, possess some level of bodily control as it can warp its feathers into a fist, it and cupman become buddies after suctioncupman lets it use his bicycle helmet as a nest, meaning it’d help in a pinch, Bagel was able to pick up Suction cup man and make him fly, in fact it literally has fought for Suction cup man before, and in later episodes he lives with cupman, and in the live stream it’s confirmed that Bagel is in fact cupmans pet

Merch

Ah yes, selling out, that's what we all want to do… everyday… I'm just saying if someone wanted to buy KFR i’d let them, anyways Cupman owns basically every piece of merchandise because of course he does, he’s shown having the stickers, and most importantly the card game, now you may be thinking to yourself “Card game? Theres a piemation card game??” and uh… yeah there is, while these cards are not really playable in a real setting, we do see that playing them does actually use their effect which is listed on the card in a physical sense, they also give some more context for lore (Note: The Suction cup man cards are listed both in Physiology and in Forms. Also big thanks to the Piemations wiki for having everything we needed, reminder that these cards are from the piemation patreon, go SUPPORT THEM NOW NOW NOW)

Name of card (Images removed due to imbedding)	Card Description	Ability Affect (IE: Layman terms)
Happy tram	Rarity: Legendary Health: 50,000 Attack: Positivity Happiness: Unending Description: God has left us all	Nothing lol
Guy Buisiness	Rarity: Common Health: 20 Attack: Shouting Business: Thriving Description: Take the opponent to court. If the judge card raises in your favor, take 50,000 from the opponent.	Money Manip ig
Mega Medic	Rarity: Legendary Health: 10,102,007 Power: 4,162,016 Attack: Unhealing laser Description: Mega Medic has all standard Wizard type abilities + a self heal bonus of 3 HP per turn.	Power copying + Self healing/Durability negation
Peepee Card	Rarity: 6-7 Times a Day Health: 10 Minutes Attack: Go Piss Girl Bladder: 0 Full Description: Initiates game-wide pee break. Cannot be played with poo pass.	Nothing sadly
Poopoo Card	Rarity: 1-2 Times a Day Health: 20 Minutes Power: Supersh*t Colon: Full Description: Initiates game-wide poop break. Cannot be played with pee pass.	Nothing Sadly
Papyrus with a bomb	Rarity: Legendary Health: 50 Power: 3,000,000 Attack: Bomb Description: The bomb is now armed. Defuse it in 30 seconds or all players die instantly.	Explosion/Death manipulation
Guy who shits himself	Rarity: More frequent than he'd like Health: 4 Smell: Bad Pants: Unsalvageable Description: This card stinks up the place. Once damage, discard this card's pants	Nothing
Bobby Cue	Rarity: Common Health: 50 Service: Excellent Seed: Homestyle Description: This card buffs the health and stamina of other cards with hot fresh meals	Status Amplification
Manager Orange	Rarity: TBA Health: TBA Attack: TBA Description: TBA	TBA
Paul Ease	Rarity: Common Health: 100 Defense: 40 Heal Item: Donut Description: Paul gets 200% defense bonus when played next to Buddy (Husband)	Nothin but support
Buddy Ease	Rarity: Common Health: 175 Attack: Shoot Catchphrase: … Description: Buddy gets 200% damage bonus when played next to Paul (Husband)	Nothin but support For his Husband
Squidward Gun	Rarity: Uncommon Health: Gun Attack: Gun Squidward: Armed Description: Enemies have a 50% chance to mistake this as a clarinet. NOTE: Not a clarinet.	Not a clarinet
Boob Gross	Rarity: Common Health: 20 Power: 4090 Copyright: Infringed Description: When played, you may take your opponent's entire deck for AI training purposes.	AI stealing
Oonee	Rarity: Common Health: 75 Attack: Crowbar Punch Weakness: Nuisance Description: Oowee is a "what the f*ck is that" type Pokemon capable of using Shrek	What the fuck is that
3000 rats	Rarity: Extremely Abundant Health: 3 (per rat) Attack: Bites Rabies: Yes Description: RATS RATS RATS RAT RAT RATS RAT RATS RAT RAT RATS RATS RATS RATS RATS!!!!	That's a lot of rats
Carvillo carv viper	Rarity: Rare Health: 400 lbs Attack: The Hustle Loves: His Wife Description: Replace your opponent's cards with bootlegs. Sell the originals on CarvellosCorner.com	My blog is a fake he has the real go to https://shady-virus-plagiarism@is.gd/bVo5ow?trojan.msi for the real one (for legal reasons i have to say this link is to the piemation website)
Lloyd Assistent	Rarity: Uncommon Health: 15 Defense: 20 Aura: Sheepish Description: Buffs adjacent cards with +5 organization. Faints during any combat.	Status amplification but useless
Gator Wife	Rarity: Common Health: 300 lbs Attack: Slaying Beauty Rank: 5 Description: Playing this card causes the player to instantly win the Ms. Florida competition that year.	Lets you win the Ms. Florida competition of the year
Skim Milk	Rarity: Common Type: Consumable Value: 3.1 4/fl oz Nutrients: Full Description: Consume Skim Milk for +30 HP and +15 shield. Or stick your d*ck in it to make it "%$@hole milk" lol	Healing and Status Amplification <- real funny
Molly Mall Rat	Rarity: Rare Health: 5 Attack: Callout Post Weakness: Grass Description: Once in play, go live on Tik Tok. Your viewer count is added to Molly's health.	Status amplification
Peeb	Rarity: Rare Health: 10 Attack: Call Mom Cool Factor: 43 Description: When played, Peeb encourages all ally cards to make healthier life choices.	Make healthier choices
Dax	Rarity: Rare Health: 75 Attack: Strike Post Cool Factor: 76 Description: Dax	Coolest card ever
Mayor of Bird town	Rarity: Uncommon Health: 20 Popularity: 13% Dodge Skill: 5 Description: Once played, all chair-based attacks and all questions can be dodged. No further comment.	Avoiding questions manipulation No further questions or clarifications needed
The AMAZING soldier	Rarity: Rare Health: 200 Attack: Unicorn Magic Mane: Lustrous and Fragrant Description: Soldier's unicorn horn can grant wishes, but only to allies wearing Mercenary-Issue hats.	Wish manipulation
The Amazing Scout	Rarity: Rare Health: 125 Attack: Headbutt YA Bonk: BOINK BONK BO Description: Runs circles around enemies dealing major annoyance. 15% chance to Dragon Shout.	Annoys the enemy
The Amazing Pyro	Rarity: Rare Health: 175 Attack: Murder Weakness: Spiders Description: Deals 4x damage to enemies that personally wrong him. Is also a qualified receptionist	Status amplification but only to people that wrong them
The Amazing Demoman	Rarity: Rare Health: 175 Attack: Heavy Drinking Special: Heavy Drinking Description: When heaviest drinking is achieved, Amazing Demoman quintuples damage, with an 80% chance to kill literally everyone, including allies.	When finished drinking has an 80% chance to literally just death hax everyone
The Amazing Heavy	Rarity: Rare Health: 300 Attack: Fisting Costume Taste: Poor Description: When in play, you may yell "YOU ARE DEAD" for an 80% chance to kill all enemies in a 4-mile radius	80% chance for death manipulation
The Amazing Engineer	Rarity: Rare Health: 125 Makin': Bacon Pickpocket LVL: 17 Description: When not on break, can erect Poot-Dispensers that emit one Poot per minute, dealing 3 DMG per sniff.	Smell… manipulation..???
Billions of Bugs	Rarity: Common Health: 1 (each) Passive: Swarm Hunger: Insatiable Description: This card doesn't have to be played. The bugs will come for your opponent eventually. And you too.	That's not scary at all
The Amazing Spy	Rarity: Rare Health: 125 Hand: Slapped Hat: Nice	Nice hat dude
Can i get uhh	Rarity: Uncommon Appetite: Unsatisfied Wallets: Forgotten Scale: A Minor (issue) Description: When this card is in play they uhh uuuuuhhhhhhh uuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh	uhhh
Bop Tartz	Rarity: 8??? Flavor: Strawberry Attack: Jam Sugar: 20g per tart. Description: Yummers	Yummers
The Amazing Merasmus	Rarity: Legendary Health: 33,750 Attack: MAGIC!!!! Passive: MAGIC!!!!!!!!!!!! Description: Power is theoretically limitless (See Before Verdict). Buffs enemy cards with the same power to make sure it's fair.	Stat amplification but for the opponent
Guy the Ant	Rarity: Common Health: 1 Anttack: Colonize Hobby: Antiques	Ant guy
Tom the Ant	Rarity: Common Health: 1 Anttack: Antagonize Strength: 50x Weight Description: Every enemy and ally in Tom's vicinity has a 20% chance of being able to smell him.	Whatever dude its an ant who can make you maybe smell him
Big Office Manager	Rarity: Uncommon Health: 30 Attack: SELL MACHINE THAT DOESN'T DO THE F*CKING THING IT'S SUPPOSED TO Description: No returns. Warranty costs an extra $50	Actual satan.
Sented Candle	Rarity: Legendary Health: 1 Attack: Fire Spreadability: 600% Description: All fire spread can be instantly stopped by extinguishing the candle. Likewise all fire spread returns immediately upon relighting the candle.	Fire manipulation
The Shapes	Rarity: ???????? Health: ?????? Attack: ?????? ???????: ???????????? Description: THEY'RE GETTING ANGRIER THEY'RE GETTING ANGRIER THEY'RE GETTING ANGRIER THEY'RE GETTING ANGRIER THEY'RE GETTING ANGRIER THEY'RE GETTING ANGRIER	THEY’RE ANGRY WITH ME HELP
Renaldo the Wizard	Rarity: Rare Health: 5 Attack: Lickety Split Class Grade: D- Description: ???	Those who know
Tony Two Joints	Rarity: Rare Health: 30 Attack: Sell ketamine Cool Factor: 420 Description: When played, Tony Two Joints, encourages all ally cards to make worse life choices.	Weed
Pen Doodle	Rarity: Gone Health: 0 Attack: Cancel Series Weakness: Folding Chairs Description: check this out *dies*	Kills self manipulation
Bagel the Pigeon	Rarity: Pigeondary Health: Unknown Attack: Peck to Heck Bird Strength: 5,000 Description: Mess with the burdy. You're gonna get hurty. *Pigeon noises*	Hey wait a minute i know you
Flame Majesty	Rarity: Legendary Health: Immortal Attack: So actually he has every superpower Description: He is also completely immune to all forms of attack and it's because of his really cool backstory that is also dark and kinda f*cked up and also everyone thinks he's awesome and his wife is Twilight Sparkle	Clearly an outerversal threat. Immune to all forms of attack Should have every ability Is immortal
Pen Doodle	Rarity: Uncommon Health: 15 Attack: Exposition Self: Inserted Description: Playing this card will make you cringe. But free...	Self insert? Who would everrrr self insert!! Looks at you
The Ghost of Halloween	Rarity: Eerily Rare Spooky Factor: 5 Fright: Floating and slightly moving stuff Description: Despite a decent Spooky Factor, each attempt to Fright is half as effective as the previous attempt.	Ghost so like… idk incorporeality?
The Skeleton of Halloween	Rarity: Scarily Common Spooky Factor: 14 Fright: Walking all on its own. Description: Initiates a short but potent Fright that lasts until it bumps into anything where it will then fall and die instantly	Scary skeletonn
Trent	Rarity: Rare Health: 200 Attack:?????? Immunity: 99 Description: Trent becomes immune to most attacks and speeding tickets when he uses his ability to ???????????????	Becomes immune to most attacks when he uh,,, idk
Herobrine	Rarity: Fligigoo /GAMEMODE: CREATIVE /WEATHER: THUNDER WHOOGIGAAWAA Description: When played, Jack Bla- I mean Steve- I mean Hero Brian will /Kill everyone instantly.	Herobrine Immortal Weather manipulation Death manipulation… again? Im noticing a pattern here
Penny	Rarity: Common Health: 20 Attack: Working Work Power: 101% Description: Penny buffs any nearby Business-Type cards with 1.5x productivity at a cost of 1.5x paper usage.	Stat amplification but only for productivity (i really need this card right now)
Mrs Jaundice	Rarity: Common Health: Not Good Work Power: 2 Phone: Charged Description: Playing this card will do a bare minimum required amount of damage	Do nothing and win

Dedan

Zone 1

We thought it would be funny to include this, so yeah, we’re just giving Dedan all of Zone 1 because why the fuck not, It’s size is pretty important however you’ll see that before the verdict
Elsen: Elsen is the first place the player can enter upon gaining the leo card from the Judge, this is the place which… does nothing, there is literally nothing here except for a single elsen which can be spoken to, however there is the tram, which is described to be able to bring you to every place across Zone 1, it can do this in a matter of seconds

Damien: Damien is where the smoke mines are located (see more below) It’s easy to get lost in the mines of damien as most of the corridors look the exact same, as well as the lamps being faulty, making it difficult to travel most of the time, however that would be simply a minor inconvenience if it weren’t for the Spectres and other beasts which exist down in the mines, in damien there are also the Metal factories, used to obtain Metal, these barns house cows and other animals which are later gutted. There's also the post office which contains Elesen who become burnts, these are also of course infested with spectres. The spectres which haunt the mines/barns/Post Office of Damien are:

Image/Name	In-game description/stats	Light explanation
The Common Spectre	Mysterious ectoplasmic incarnation. HP: 10 CC: 50 ATK: 40 DFS: 1 ESP: 115 AGL: 35 Light resistance to smoke. Light vulnerability against Instant Death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Confused and hasty. Light immunity against Palsied	Often in large groups, the regular spectres should not be underestimated, as if enough of them appear you are sure to lose. Well if they chose to attack that is…
Magnolia	A severed head, floating in the air. HP: 30 CC: 10 ATK: 65 DFS: 70 ESP: 45 AGL: 35 Light weakness against Meat. Light vulnerability against Muted, Asleep, Confused, Hasty. Light immunity against Palsied. 1/10 chance of Critical hit	Usually found in groups of two. However seeing one on its own isn’t uncommon, these heads are pretty dangerous, as their the first of the stronger enemies you can find in the mines of damien. It has the move Chronic Migraine which can inflict Blindness/Lethargic
January	Ghoul with a dusty breath. HP: 90 CC: 15 ATK: 75 DFS: 70 ESP: 40 AGL: 35 Light weakness against metal. Light vulnerability against Poisoned, Blinded, Madness, Asleep, Confused and Hasty.	Found within Damien, the January’s are strong hulking beasts, usually found either alone or in groups of two. They can strike with lethal force by using domestic socket, which has a 100% hit rate
One-eyed Spectre	Cunning ectoplasmic incarnation. HP: 65 CC: 10 ATK: 70 DFS: 70 ESP: 70 AGL: 35 Light weakness against metal Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty	One eye’d spectres which can be found in the mines, or literally anywhere? These guys are like everywhere for some reason, regardless they usually team up with Magnolia’s making a very dangerous combo to those who are unable to defend themselves
Fat Spectre	Baneful ectoplasmic incarnation. HP: 90 CC: 15 ATK: 75 DFS: 70 ESP: 70 AGL: 35 Light resistance against smoke. Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty. 1/30 chance of Critical hit	Found inside the barns of Zone 1, these fat guys are pretty dangerous. Able to summon Ah,Ah’s by simply rehearsing the phrase, which lets it quickly gain the advantage on you through debuffs and its pretty dangerous force.
Ah-Ah	Word bubble that appears when fighting Fat Spectres/Burnts. HP: 10 CC: 15 ATK: 1 DFS: 1 ESP: 70 AGL: 40 No weaknesses/resistances. Light vulnerability against Hasty. Light immunity against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied and Confused.	Word bubbles which do nothing but spam Lethargic/Blindness onto you, they can also start as hasty, meaning they can get an attack out as soon as the fight may begin It can be assumed that these are informational beings based on the fact that an Eleson says it to you before initiating combat, which then summons an Ah-Ah (this is backed up by the fact that the Fat Spectre can attack while summoning one, implying that it’s just a word being said)
Burnt	Employee of zone 1 in poor health. HP: 70 CC: 10 ATK: 80 DFS: 70 ESP: 70 AGL: 40 No weakness/resistance. Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty	Found within the post offices of zone 1, these overworked employees have gone insane and sprouted massive amounts of meat from their brains.
Rupture Burnt	"Overworked Zone 1 employee." HP: 75 CC: 10 ATK: 80 DFS: 70 ESP: 70 AGL: 40 Light Immunity to Metal, Bats Light Vulnerability to Smoke / Symbols	Found within the post offices of zone 1 as well, these burnts are created after poor working conditions, causing their heads to explode into two meat pillars With the move clock out the burnt can explode, killing itself and dealing massive damage to the opponent
Tiburce	Flying ghoul with bad intentions. HP: 45 CC: 10 ATK: 75 DFS: 70 ESP: 65AGL: 40 No weakness/resistance Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty	These flying ghouls are usually found alongside the burnts Using “Square game” They’re able to drain your competence leaving you open for the much more dangerous burnts which accompany them

Alma: A much less dense area than that of Damien, which is connected through the trams, unlike the last 3 areas of zone 1, this zone is snot as big and only really contains Dedans main office, which seemingly contains an infinite room that cannot be escaped (Seems to be an actual physical space), unless you of course follow the music which leads you to Dedans office, however there is also a lake of meat which surrounds the complex which can be traversed through with the pedalos, which Dedan is canonically quite fond of, however monsters also inhibit this lake, and in promotional material inside of Dedans complex contains some other spectres, considering Dedan usually dislikes them it’s safe to say that these spectres are allowed to be here and can be considered some level of support, the monsters which appear within Alma are:

Arpagon	Four-legged ghoul with a heavy breath. HP: 65 CC: 15 ATK: 80 DFS: 65 ESP: 70 AGL: 35 Light weakness against metal. Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty 1/10 chance of Critical hit	Found next to Elesen that are ready to become a burnt, these ghouls rely on heavy damage seeking to kill the Batter as quickly as possible If there are no burnts around these things are often found in groups of 2 or even 3
Troquantary	Aquatic ghoul with a radiant smile. HP: 100 CC: 10 ATK: 90 DFS: 70 ESP: 65 AGL: 42 Light weakness against plastic. Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty	Appearing in the meat fountains of zone 1, these shark like creatures like jumping you without warning They attack with incredible force, but also by lowering your defence leaving you open to more of them Which is handy due to them usually traveling in packs of 2 or 3
Fission Spectre	"Explosive ectoplasmic incarnation." HP: 25 HP: 10 ATK: 100 Light immunity to Smoke Light vulnerability to Metal	(Shows up in the trailer) These spectres are just fucking bombs, like there is no joke, or twist to them, they’re just bombs, like actual bombs, they can heal or hurt themselves, but the big thing they do is explode, dealing massive damage to everyone on the screen
Crown of the dead	Diabolical and airborne royal headwear. HP: 130 CC: 40 No weakness/resistance Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty.	(Shows up in the trailer) More of a support item, the Crown of the dead is able to Heal its allies and itself, it also cures poison or anything similar
Fortuna	"Abnormal being that brings luck." HP: 25 CC: ??? ATK: ??? DFS: ??? ESP: ??? AGL ??? No weakness/resistance Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty.	(Shows up in the trailer) Doesn’t do anything other than bring good luck to those who see it… or kill it? I'm not sure there's not really anything on this thing

The Main Elements

These are the 5 Main elements which make up the OFF world, at their core they’re the elements which are used to create each Zone, all of which have their own effects and meaning.

Smoke: Smoke is extracted from the Mines within Zone 1, Smoke is a natural resource which exists under the earth and has to be explicitly taken out of the ground, said Smoke is then bottled, and sent to the Queen, who then disperses the Smoke across every zone, Smoke is used as a sort of Oxygen replacement, as People within the OFF universe breath in Smoke to breath, Smoke is most usually effective against most Burnts, Burnts are often Elson who have been overworked, or are in extreme panic, meaning it’s most likely that Smoke is strong against those who are volatile or have heavy emotions

Metal: A seemingly strange parallel to our own world. Metal is a rock which is extracted from animals, in Zone 1 they are mostly extracted from Cows, this is extracted by cutting the animal in half, and then harvesting the organs within, the Metal that isn’t useful is then discarded by being thrown out, creating the very ground we walk on, the ones that are good are then purified into objects that can be used, Metal is Strong against every “Spectre” based enemy, this includes things like ghosts or souls, meaning that metal should be strong against Spiritual foes, and possibly foes with an Abstract or non-physical existence

Plastic: Plastic is a non descript Element, with the least information given on it due to a small amount of Elson statements on the element, but from what we do know Plastic is a source of writing, or message carrying, Plastic makes up the lakes and all of the oceans which cover the Earth, meaning that it’s an abundant recourse, and without it the world would have no bounds, and go on forever, Plastic is strong against beasts or monsters, and maybe the singular ghost, those who are animalistic or are closer to a rabid beast than human are weak to the substance

Meat: What we would know as physical food, the inhabitants of Zone 1 know it as a liquid which flows freely throughout the world, the meat in Zone 1 pores from fountains, which make it the Elsens job to bottle it up, and then send it to other places across the OFF world, Meat rather takes the description of water, or a liquid, because without Meat, people would have nothing to eat, and they would devour each other, Meat is strong against very little, however its strong against expressions, things such as the “Ah, Ah” and “Hh hh” symbol are weak to Meat, seemingly making Meat strong against the very information that comes out our very mouths

Sugar: Sugar is… okay im not gonna… hehe SUGAR coat this, but Sugar comes from the Zone 3 factories, where heated up elsen corpses are piled into ovens, and due to the state of the art pipes, are turned into sugar, the sugar is then sent to certain factories to be purified, removing things like ash from the sugar to make it good for consumption, because without sugar, people would no longer be able to bear reality, and go insane, Sugar is the only element to not be used in combat, like… at all, i don’t even know why im writing this, this is useless, im just now using this as a way to bulk up the words in the google doc, isn’t that cool? #Googledoocy!

Objects

While there really isn’t any proof that the Zone Guardians ever use items, we can assume that they can, considering at the end of OFF, Pablo is able to (if chosen in the alt ending) use items, meaning it’s likely the other Zone Guardians should be able to use them, However this is probably only limited to general Items and not equips the Batter can get (Most information on Items are taken from the OFF wiki, check out the link here)

Luck Ticket	Restores 100 HP
Fortune Ticket	Restores 1000 HP
Silver Flesh	Restores 50 CC
Golden Flesh	Restores 100 CC
Joker	Revives and then restores 25% HP
Moloch’s Meat	Cures poison
Belials Meat	Cures all negative effects
Abaddon's Meat	Fully restores all HP/CC when out of combat, it cannot be used while in combat
Inspiration	Deals 75 damage to all enemies
Expiration	Deals 400 damage to all enemies
Eye	Gives information on a person

Abilities

Suction Cup Man

Cupman Physiology
(More in depth explanation before the verdict)

Ah yes, mister SCM physiology, something which is usually talked about as like, your usual immortality/invulnerability. Which is true, I mean this was the reason he was taken by the American government to stop north korea from starting world war three, he’s shown the ability to like directly talk to the viewer, like during his theme song, and in that same theme song he has some sort of weird duplication or corruption going on ?? Not really explained, or the fact that he, y'know, sold merch of piemations to us, the viewer!

But of course, like any good Immortality man, there's some layers to his immortality, should he ever actually die, his soul is sent to hell itself, Hell is explained to be a state for a sinful person's soul to go to when they actually kick the bucket, it however is implied that nobody can leave hell, ever, which is a little strange because, y'know, Suction Cup Man simply leaves anyways, but of course, if you don’t believe he can manipulate his own soul, when he leaves hell there isn’t any gateway, and his body was completely fine, implying that yes, Suction cup man has complete control of his soul, and should somewhat resist soul manipulation due to being able to do things souls usually cannot do, if that's not enough, his soul is described as completely wicked in the plush video, which lines up with the reason for him being in hell, Oh, also the card game calls him immortal as well so-

Climbing

Climbing, probably his most important ability, this is simply something which is very integral to his character, actually it isn’t just that, it's actually inherent to his very being, Suction Cup Man has a physical response to anything climbing related, like climbing a building, but this applies to literally anything, he can just learn shit on the fly, like when he learned basically everything about Business because he simply wanted to climb the ranks of the place he worked at.

Regeneration
(Pain tolerance)

Suction cup man has some minor regeneration going on. While trying to figure out how to climb a building without suction cups, Suction cup man uses glue to climb, which… while working for a moment, didn’t let him climb, causing him to try and pull away from the glass, tearing a thick patch of skin right off of his hands, which while painful is something he mostly ignores, but what's more interested is, literally right after he does this, by bandaging his hands up, seemingly after a couple hours Suction Cup Man literally has the skin on his hands back basically instantly, Also his whole body regenerated from broken bones and burns, after his body was ran over by cars by exiting hell, which is some pretty good regeneration.

Hammerspace

Suction cup man has shown the ability to pull out objects from thin air, he’s been shown to pull his suction cups out of basically nowhere, although the main thing he does is pull out his guitar from thin air, or in a single moment just kinda create his harmonica to be on his mouth.

Reality warping

Suction cup man has some pretty interesting reality warping, like during the end of one hell of a climb where he basically freezes reality for a small joke, although it doesn’t really last that long because… Y’know its a small joke, of course he’s done some other things with reality like how he has some sort of subjective reality, allowing him to create clones from just thinking about stuff or manipulating the world around him to accommodate him, giving him some sort of manipulation over our very paper crafted reality itself. (Funny addition, in a youtube short made by the official voice-actor, Suction Cup Man can be duplicated… unwillingly)

Dimensional Travel

While not really his own doing, this is something he’s done before, after being turned into a plushy by an evil wizard he’s sent into advertisement hell, where he was used for product placement, until he was thrown off screen seemingly letting him teleport back to his own universe, but that's not all, if you thought only the wizard could do that you’d be WRONG, Suction cup man has actually done something very similar to someone like Mister Business, during the sticker advertisement video Suction cup man was able to send him to some sort of advertiser HELL, also he has shown teleportation in the past so something like this isn’t that crazy.

Low end Rule/Law manipulation

The rules of the card game imply that Suction cup man, or, anyone playing the game can simply make up their own rules for the game itself, making any card do anything or making them play anything, or making them unable to be discarded etc etc, this only affects the cards themselves but is still something worth noting for the time being. (Meaning: Cards can be used for infinite uses, Cards can be used as a summoning, pickup equipment, or grenade card smth, Etc its literally any possibility that he wishes for it to work, Which his subjective reality should support. What makes this consistent is that there is NO GAMEPLAY whatsoever)

Insanity Manipulation

Weirdly enough Suction cup man seemingly has some insanity manipulation going on, after hearing the words Climbing, Cup, and of course Glass, Guy business has a panic attack over the very idea of Suction cup man coming back from the dead, seemingly as a sort of thought form, mister cupman was able to continue to haunt people even after he had been removed from his own body, this let him warp the mind of Guy Business allowing him to push him over the edge and cause visual hallucinations which are weirdly physical, This would include him manipulating the spatial of the building, someone’s age, and having multiple ways to BFR. While invading the literal space where his mind is thinking of business, which is why he’s inside the building, weird…

Dedan

Zone Guardian Physiology

The zone guardians have some pretty interesting physiology, of course a lot of these guys are incredibly egotistical or are insane so taking what they say at face value is silly, instead we’re going to be going off what has been directly shown in game, so for example when Dedan was defeated and we see directly that he had some sort of psychic link to Hugo then we can use something like that.

Dedan refers to the zone as nothing without him, due to his creation of it, of course this is backed up when Dedan was purified and the Zone fell back into the nothingness, Japhet's book about the world which shows a real narrative being built as you travel throughout zone 2 is also useable, so something like them being tireless, and able to create entirely new elements (Sugar is something we directly see created) should be usable.

As proven earlier the Guardians are the living engines of their worlds, they directly created them out of the nothingness, sculpting them into something physical for the elesen to live on, the zones themselves are acutely connected to their respective guardians, and without them they would collapse, meaning that Dedan has a sort of physical and spiritual tie to his world.

Also Dedan never blinks, this doesn’t mean anything it’s just really gross, you are now cursed with this information forever.

Creation

Dedan as a zone guardian of course has creation, while Dedan himself doesn’t show any creation feats himself, due to the shared physiology of the zone guardians we can interpret that he can do the same as them.

It’s implied throughout the story that the Queen had sent the Spectres across the zone to fix the issues which arose due to the zone guardians, Japhet later proves this sentiment as he himself was able to create multiple spectres to haunt the Elesen village in zone 2, and he also later implies that he had created the sons which inhabit the area of zone 2.

Considering that Enoch someone who should be able to give us a clear answer as to how the zones were created (minus that one infinite power statement) that is is the job of the zone Guardians to take said energy from the Queen and then mold it into a solid context, considering that multiple of his attacks are connected to that of causality or the narrative, we can assume that he is using that very power to harm us, we can assume that they’re creating their zones on a narrative level, Dedan later backs up the idea that they created their zones by saying that the three dreamers will be able to create a new world from the smoldering ashes of the last.

Spectre Physiology

Considering we gave Dedan zone one, we might as well also talk about Spectre Physiology, and how they work in a VS scenario, same rules as Zone guardian physiology, we won’t be going off pure statements but rather statements which can be backed up through other contexts.

Spectres are corrupted souls, they are often created (burnts) through heavy emotions, or emotions which overwhelm a person causing them to become burnt, they can also be created through the death of an Elesen, like how Enoch states that they are the Non-physical souls of those very Elesen who die.

So what exactly are the Spectres? Well they’ve been described as a couple things but the stuff which continues to make the most sense is that they’re ghosts, described as ectoplasmatic in nature by Dedan himself, or outright called spiritual beings, or other times they’re called phantom beings, but most of the time they’re simply just intangible spirits, we can understand what they are once Enoch refers to them as spirits of the dead who have risen once more to enact some sort of plan.

That plan is possible them being incarnations of evil itself, corrupting and sewing chaos into the very world itself, and in some cases are described as overstepping divine law itself, causing issues for the living and making life generally worse. (Yes we are going to address the elephant in that image give it a minute)

Non-Physical Interaction

Unsurprisingly the guy who kills spectres is able to interact with things that aren’t of this physical plane, as explained above Dedan is able to interact with non physical spirits who are completely intangible, however he’s also able to interact with stuff which affect the 4th wall, like how he can hurt the addons which is called spiritual and can cause metaphysical reactions, I mean he also seemingly has 4th wall awareness if the steam page is to believed.

He should also be able to interact with Abstract or Conceptual things like the Abstract Spectres, or information itself through attacking things like the Laughing emoticon and “ah-ah” emoticons.

Teleportation

Like most zone guardians (for some reason) Dedan has shown the ability to teleport at will, if this is simply him teleporting into the nothingness isn’t clear, but because he later appears inside of his own office where there are no red boxes, we can assume that this is just teleportation and nothing else.

Competence

Competence, or CC, is a thing that everyone in the OFF universe has, with enough of it, it allows the user to use special moves, these moves can be any number of things, such as dealing out massive damage, doing specific things like summoning or healing come to mind, however CC isn’t just another magic system, it can be considered a sort of… “Determination” Pablo refers to it as an iron volition, this can be backed up with certain status effects in relation to competence, things like furious which would mess with a state of mind stop you from controlling your CC at all, although this doesn’t really change much of anything as of now, So what CAN Dedan do with Competence? Well theres a couple things so lets chart them.

Minute Hand	An attack of mediocre impact
Hour Hand	Inflicts sleep onto enemies affected
Sweep Hand	Inflicts furious (making them hurt their team or themselves)
Half Past	Inflicts Dedan himself with hasty, making him faster by 2x or 50%

Summoning

During Dedan's fight, after hitting him enough, he’ll begin to laugh, which then will begin to summon littler speech bubbles which represent laughing… Yeah sadly he doesn’t get any cool summoning which lets him create Elsen or something…

笑

HP: 10 CP: 15 ATK: 1 DFS: 1 ESP: 1 AGL: 1 No weakness/resistance. Light vulnerability against Instant death, Poisoned, Blinded, Muted, Furious, Madness, Asleep, Palsied, Confused and Hasty

The term used, “Xiào” means to laugh in chinese/japanese, meaning this is probably something made of information They usually only appear after Dedan hits 60% HP, however there's nothing really saying he can’t just summon them whenever They attack by stealing your CC which I guess would equal your Will in this case… Maybe

Purification

As we know, the Batter is able to Purrify enemies when he beats them, this is referred to as two things, one being his purification of the zones, this is consistently described as the disappearance of a spectre or other thing. While we cannot confirm that the Purification of Spectres which Dedan carries out is identical to that of the Batter’s, there is an argument to be made, specifically around Pablo who upon choosing him in the special ending and beating the Batter is regarded as Purrifying him, therefore it’s PROBABLY safe to say that Dedan who assumed that nobody but an officer of a Queen could destroy the spectres can replicate Purification, considering thats… exactly what he’s doing.

(Even if you don’t believe that we have actual proof like the image shown above of Dedan actively committing a purification, this is the same animation used as when describing the purification)

The Implications of Purification

Purification has always been an incredibly delicate topic when talking about OFF, especially when people can’t agree if this is just Physical erasure or Spiritual erase, or even beyond, but we think we’ve come to a conclusion on how this works, so stick with me on this.

Physical Erasure
The Physical erasure refers to the fact that there is physical erasure going on, the Batter refers to its effects as causing the Kingdom of the Queen to be erased, a place which no longer exists anymore, it plunges the world into something sterile, something which is completely devoid of anything and everything, objects no longer exist, people no longer exists, and spectres no longer exist, it’s been shown to work as a sort of corruption, the more a guardian is strained and the more people are killed the more said zone begins to be purified, and when you kill a guardian their zone, their world falls back into the nothingness.

Spiritual/Conceptual/Informational Erasure

The Non-Physical erasure refers to the idea that the Batter is able to purify the spirits which exist across the OFF universe, its the main use of Purification like how the Batter is able to cause ghosts to poof out of existence, and abstract beings which are the original concepts of those same spectres which haven’t been fully created yet, on top of that it’s been shown to affect things like the Secretaries, which are physically made up of concepts relating to mathematical ideas as well as being described as basically non existent, they are symbols, as well as the Seraphemic incarnations conceptual attacks like hoax or red herring this also applies to something like the erasure of information due to the speech bubbles which are created by Spectres or Dedan laughing.

Archetype Erasure

Yeah okay I guess I have to tackle this now, this is a pretty interesting thing which we came across while researching the specific pages of the OFF guide book/pages or what-not, regardless this is what we’re noting, the following passage comes from something which has been translated by a native french person the follow is that.

 “Les landes de Off sont habitées de personnages principaux et hantées de personnages secondaires, chacun dédiant sa vie à une seule chose, suivant inlassablement un plan directeur strict dont l’aboutissement est la disparition de leur corps et enfin l’oubli par la collectivité.”

(Translates to)

“The wastelands of OFF are inhabited by main characters and haunted by secondary characters, each devoting their life to a single purpose, tirelessly following a strict master plan whose culmination is the disappearance of their body and finally their being forgotten by the collective.”

This already is a pretty interesting statement, but what we’re focusing on is the last part specifically which is “Whose culmination is the disappearance of their body and finally their being forgotten by the collective” To defend this argument we are going to have to play devil's advocate for a little bit, lets go through the thoughts some of you maybe having…

Question: What even is Archetype Manipulation/Erasure?

Answer: Archetypes are Concepts which are sort of beyond concepts, they’re universal constants or are things which are fully accepted by the Human Consciousness, across ALL humans, something like our very instincts would be that of an Archetype, this idea is deeply connected with the idea of the Collective Unconscious, which is the deepest part of our minds, which control the very structure of our thought.

Question: Isn’t this Hyperbole?

Answer: While it is entirely possible that the statement itself is simply wrong or is just a turn of phrase, the fact is the referring to the Collective is very much in line with that of what we know of the Elesen and what the Collective Unconscious is, in that exact same description “Each devoting their life to a single purpose” which is representing the idea that each Elesen is actively contributing to the instincts which they have built up for themselves across their entire life, meaning that this being Hyperbole is incredibly unlikely. But even if we were to ignore this the stuff we see in game is highly in line with what Archetype, or Collective Unconscious Erasure would look like, that being the disappearance of everyone and everything, there is nobody here, in Zone 2 there is also some more stuff which supports the idea of Purification being that of erasure from the Collective Unconscious, that being words, and information being eradicated, no words on the sign are able to be read because there are no more words there, communication is gone, the Library is called fake, there is no more information being created or shared, because the information which once existed no longer does, there is nothing on the poster anymore, by this point you presumably get it, the ideas like communication and speech have been completely erased from these purified worlds, and the prior translation of “is the disappearance of their body and finally their being forgotten by the collective" making Archetype Erasure OFF completely fine to use.

Purification can do:

        Erasure of, Physical beings, Spiritual beings, Beings which do not exist, Beings which are conceptual and Informational, and beings which are Archetypal.

Resistances

Suction Cup Man

Due to the cardgame, we can get more context on what cannot kill cupman, all sources are linked above in equipment

Durability Negation: Immune to Mega Medics unhealing laser

Memory Manipulation: When developed to lose his memories completely, His consciousness or soul remain to haunt others completely. After even gaining back his memories, he would still remember the events of him being a different persona.

Explosion Manipulation: Immune to Papyrus with a bomb

Data Collection: Immune to boobgross's data training

Disease Manipulation: Immune to 3000 rat’s bites, which have rabies.

Wish Manipulation: Immune to the effects of the amazing soldiers hat

Death Manipulation: Immune to the Demoman's/Heavy's 80% instant kill

Extreme Heat: Immune to the scented candles fire

Soul Manipulation: The ghost of halloween can be killed but cupman cannot

Transmutation: Comes back from being transmuted

Dedan

Should be able to resist the side effects of attacks from spectres like the Batter, and with similar physiologies to the other zone guardians he should be able to take hits from their attacks as well and remain unaffected

Existence Erasure: The Batter can withstand hits from Dedan, who purifies foes

• Type: Physical, Spiritual, Conceptual, EE resistance negation, Archetypal

Mathematics: Resists the mathematical attacks of the Secretaries, all of which can be found here

Sound manipulation: Japhet uses sound to attack which can somewhat be resisted

Mind manipulation: Slightly resists the effects of a psychically caused aneurysm

Narrative/plot manipulation: Resists the attacks of Enoch, which are narratives

Future sight: Resists the effects of the Blind Spectre seeing the future

Causality manipulation: Resists the effects of the law of causality

Time manipulation: The Batter resists the effects of Dedans [wait a minute…] Minute/Hour hand

Entropy manipulation: Resists the effects of entropy, eat your heart out Wonder of U

Conceptual manipulation: somewhat resists the effects of both the Red herring, and Hoax attacks

Spatial/Quantum manipulation: Cob moves the space you inhabit itself to attack you

Forms

Suction Cup Man

Plushie

HOLY FUCK HE’S A PLUSHIE!

Penis man

After losing everything in a contract to remove any and all climbing grade suction cups which he owns, Suction cup man becomes the most evil, deadly, and insane beast alive, PENIS MAN, while there wouldn’t be much to note about Penis man, the card game gives us some information about the guy which is pretty important, basically upon seeing Penis man your mental fortitude is completely shattered, just making you go brain dead I guess?? It’s not really explained all too much, but it’s pretty funny

Craig Raisins

Craig is certainly a force to be reckoned with, after loses all of his memories due to being bashed in the head, a man named Craig raisins rose himself out of that “grave”, this is the inventive side of Cupman, the innovated version of himself, in about a couple a minutes he was able to create an entire contraption for the mail room making it work without human input at all, he was able to work an entire 7 hours without taking a break at all, basically making him superhuman, he learnt sales and investing in basically a couple minutes rising an entire rank to the head of sales sending the business into basically a multi-billion dollar company.

However that's not all, Craig has a weird affect on people, and the card game outlines these, although in a QNA he was described as climbing out of Suction cup man's subconscious in the future, the cardgame describes him as able to destabilize any international market, however considering he’s the only Cup Man card with the ability to be harmed makes it pretty easy to kill him… If it didn’t instantly spawn in another cupman, although, after long exposure to Craig raisins, you then have to deal with the CEO state, which deals psychic damage for a prolonged amount of time, giving you nightmares and just being completely invulnerable to any attack.

Dedan

Plushie

BY THE QUEENS THOUSAND FACES, WHERE THE HELL AM I?

Feats

Suction Cup Man

Overall

• Was able to climb towers with relative ease
• “Ill climb ya tower in just an hour”
• NOT a trump supporter canonically
• Immortality rivaled by no other
• PEAK character design
• A… master… baiter
• Man Business YAOI
• Attracted to any gender

Power

• Suction cups can hold him up (39-158.4723 Newtons)
• Strong enough for him to break glass with his own pickaxe’s
• Cupman creates a weirdly physical space within Business guys head
• Creating a sort of an alternate universe (See Before Verdict)

Speed

• Jumped fast enough to get onto the ceiling (41.67 m/s)
• Fast enough to climb a tower
• Alleged to climb ya tower in just an hour
• Climbs up a tower in a couple minutes
• Moves faster then satans eye beams 
• Note: While satan doesn’t actually hit cupman with his laser eyes, it’s pretty clear that he’s moving in tandem with them, as shown here when he moves fast enough to get out of the way before one of the blasts actually hits him, regardless of range that would still be moving in tandem with light

Durability

• Gets shot by a gun and falls off a skyscraper
• Remake of him falling and hitting the ground (0.2 Megajoules - 22 Tons of TNT)
• Gets flung into the ground at full speed literally creating a shockwave and a hole in the ground (0.405 Tons of TNT)
• Could live being shot on a nuclear missile (14 kilojoules)
• Cupman hits the ground real hard
• Gets hit by multiple cars at full speed

Dedan

Overall

• The first of the three zone guardians
• The reason most of the other Zones are able to function due to shipping goods
• UNMATCHED AURA
• Surprisingly the most sane out of anyone in this game
• Sits at around 7ft tall
• Mortises favorite design out of any OFF character
• For good reason tbh

Power

• Dedan purrifies some spectres
• Dedan is confident in his ability to have destroyed the spectres
• Dedan and the other zone guardians were going to create a new world from the smoldering ashes of the last (See Before Verdict)
• Enoch states that the zone guardians are the ones to mold the Queens energy into solid context’s the living engines of the zones
• Note: While Enoch has an ego, due to the last statement of creating a new world from smoldering ashes it is unlikely that Enoch is lying here, or that he’s high on his own ego, as from the characterization we have of him the only time he does get high on himself is after said statement where he refers to himself and the other guardians as gods, not that the prior statement itself is false or a part of said metaphor, therefore it’s safe to say that the Zone Guardians are the ones who created the physical world from the nothingness.
• Dedan and the other zone guardians maintain the very existence of their zones (See Before Verdict)
• Dedan shakes The Room (Will anyone really believe this?)

Speed

• Could keep up with the Batter…
• Yeah its rough

Durability

• The living engine of his zone, should be powered by it too
• That's it!... again.
• He got bit by a cow I guess

Scaling

Suction Cup Man

SCM extended UNIVERSE

Cupman consistently is able to spar with those around his level, I mean he’s directly fought with guy business, and Bagel on multiple occasions, of course there's characters like satan who while they don't have direct scaling chains, Suction C. Man was able to react and lived a hit from his attack directly, so scaling is somewhat fine

• Business man falls far
• Falls and crushes a car
• Guy business gets smacked in the head by a crowbar
• Satan says that he created his realm (See Before Verdict)
• The window which smashes cupmans head in is stronger than satan
• His Beams Vaporize Acoustic Guitar (3.992 Kilojoules)
• Bagel was able to overpower the suction cups (Upscaling 39 - 158.4723 Newtons)
• Bagel was able to pick up Suction cup man and then fly

Mike and Zach

Considering Suction cup man and Mike and Zach take place within the same universe (Hi G.buisness), cross scaling shouldn’t be that difficult to argue, and considering they both show up in the card game, it's not THAT difficult to say that they shouldn’t be able to scale off each other based on that, so yeah, this is fine…

• Mike throws a chair and it explodes
• Breaks his back in half
• Zach lives while running into a fire
• Zach gets punted
• Both live this massive explosion
• Both Lived being crushed by 3000 rats (count them) 3000 rats
• Printer punches through a wall
• Printer explodes

The AMAZING team

Everyone in the Meet the AMAZING team appears within the cardgame, so it’s not that big of a stretch to say scaling is possible, I mean at worst Suction cup man being impervious to damage and unable to die in the card game implies that he should be able to take anything these guys can dish out…

• Scout bashes heavies head in
• Headbutts spy
• Sends spy into the atmosphere (2.918475 MegaJoules)
• Scout dodges gunfire
• Heavy literally shrugs off bullet fire
• Demo blows up medic
• Demo decapitates the entire red team
• Demo blows up multiple people
• Demo launches himself towards a rocket (Mach 23.0321)
• Medic goes flying
• Medic saws mem in half
• Uber Medic created a shockwave (Mach 1)
• Reacts to merasmus’s magic
• Unhealing laser blasts merasmus
• Pyro lives an rpg shot
• Pyro falls down the stairs
• Pyro reacts to light
• Soldier bashes heavies skull in
• Soldier lives having his head bashed in
• Engie goes flying
• Engineers sentry blows up soldier
• Merasmus explodes
• And explodes
• MAGIK
• Summons Lightning (0.1468c)
• Everyone lives medics massive spirit bomb
• Nukes your home and laughs about it (0.96 tons)
• Legalize nuclear bombs (95.96 tons)

Dedan

The Purrified (Cat noise)

Im… im not explaining this, you aren’t stupid.

• The Spectres/Burnts can:
• Elesen become Burnts (13 kilojoules)
• The average Elesen can carry these metal balls (43 Metric Tons)
• Elesen can live next to the flames which are cremating bodies
• BIIG elesen
• Every character can withstand the force of the elevator in zone 1 (326 Megatons of TNT / .57c)
• Secretary 3 can divide you by zero (See before Verdict)

Puppets

Dedan has Shown to be able to fight the Batter, while he loses scaling should still apply. He’s a Zone guardian so scaling him to Zach or Judge should also be allowed, it’s not like these guys have a huge gap on him, in fact going on stat sheets Dedan should be physically similar to both The Batter/Bad Batter, as well as Pablo

• The Batter can:
• The Batter can react faster then enemies
• It’s important to note that we have no clue if reacting faster than enemies is in fact reacting at all. (The Batters Agility correlates to his speed in a battle) However it is also important to understand that its entirely possible that the Agility stat is referring to the Batter outpacing the reactions of the opponent, things to note are how things like status effects are described in game, in the remaster of the game which can be defined as the current main point of the game Lethargic takes the role of blindness, meaning that Lethargic isn’t just slowing an opponent but their reaction timing on how fast someone else is moving, which is based on agility, things like Asleep also affect the battle meter and make it stop moving, meaning realistically the Batter should be able to react at speeds faster than a person can react.
• The Batter has blitzed perception before so it isn’t that big of a stretch to say he can anyways
• The Batter can bash in a person's skull with ease
• Batter purifies a whale
• The Batter destroys Enoch's entire body
• The Batter falls down the tube
• The Batter can pop Maldicions bubbles
• The Batter kills Hugo (See Before Verdict)
• The Batters purification travels instantly
• The Batter can react to the ionosphere from Cob (0.04c)
• The Judge can:
• Pablo has shown the ability to beat us in speed while we make our way to zone 1 through the nothingness
• Quick Note: The teleportation or quick movement visual affect which people use to say that you are instead being shot into the nothingness at light speed is very inconsistent, the teleportation is simply used as a placeholder for other things within the game of OFF, such as when the Batter summons the pedalos, or when the Ballman summons his minions within the book, therefore we cannot use visual effects to downplay or reinterpret the mechanics of movement within the Nothingness, the point of the sentence is to clarify that the movement inside of the nothingness is in fact light speed, a common counter argument to this point is that it’s “Flowery language” or simply Hyperbole, this however simply doesn’t hold up under linguistic or contextual scrutiny, the judge’s tutorial dialogue is consistently instructional rather then poetic. In fact it makes no sense for the judge to be lying here as he’s supposed to be teaching you, this is something he literally states himself. Adding onto this the phrasing used here is also very important, the sentence “à la vitesse de la lumière” is a literal and technical expression in French, which is used to denote an explicit physical benchmark rather than any other interpretation used (THIS IS CONSISTENT ACROSS MULTIPLE TRANSLATIONS) it’s also implied that you are flying through the nothingness at light speed, but this only shows up in the spanish translation so take it with a grain of salt), if this were to be Hyperbolic or specifically fake there are actual terms for that, or phrases you can use for that, however the Judge doesn’t do that, so in the most literal sense this IS supposed to be light speed, The context of the statement completely removes any ambiguity that there may be, Nothingness is quite frankly defined as a location outside of space, which break how things move, stuff like the Batter and anyone else inside of it is moving at Light speed regardless of what you think, or want to say, therefore this PROVES that the Judge isn’t lying, and is telling the complete truth, that while in the nothingness you’re moving at light speed.
• Japhets death causes the erasure of zone 2… Pablo of course isn’t kicked out of the zone when this happens, seemingly taking the purification to the face
• Zacharie can:
• Zacharie moves the entire screen
• Kill that FUCKIN frog king dude

The Zone Guardians

Dedan helped forge the world with the other Zone Guardians, so scaling to them should be allowed, although stronger/higher tier Zone guardians should be put under scrutiny, and will be explained more Before the Verdict, this includes those like the Queen/Hugo.

• The Zone Guardians can:
• Japhet is referred to as tireless.
• Japhet created his city.
• Japhet created his tower in a single moment while weakened.
• Japhet's birds were able to pick up enoch.
• Enoch was strong enough to push the Batter to retreating.
• Enoch travels across his entire domain in a couple minutes.
• Enoch needed to be weakened for the Batter to have a chance at winning.

The Seraphemic Incarnations

The newest additions to Off scaling are the Seaphims, these clusters of concepts/ideas aren’t too far off from zone guardians, while they are… Objectively stronger than Dedan, both narratively and stat wise, it's not like they’re going around wiping the floor with them, so scaling to them should be allowed, although direct scaling shouldn’t be regarded as true

• The Seraphemic Incarnations can:
• The fight screens for the Seraphemic incarnations contains stars.
• Herodotus creates many chains.
• Maldicion snaps at you.
• BIGGER CLAWS.
• Maldicion's big claw has enough energy to shatter the background.
• Maldicion can create a shield around itself.

Weaknesses

Suction Cup Man

Suction cup man has, well okay he doesn’t have many true weaknesses to keep it real, I mean there's the obvious which is anti stick materials are able to bypass his suction cups because, well they were made to do that. Although his helmet hides a pretty severe weakness… That's right, canonically Suction cup man's helmet is his achilles heel, as long as he wears it he’s completely invulnerable to all damage, but if he loses it… weelllll…… Yeah he gets fucked up.

Dedan

Dedan doesn’t actually have that many weaknesses, but a main one is, the EGO on this guy is absolutely insane, he's just really confident in everything he does, he CAN take fights seriously but he almost always severely underballs his opponent, so getting the jump on the guy is comedically easy.

Before the Verdict

Suction Cup Man

Suction Cup Man gets sent to HELL and fucking DIES for GOOD

In an old Suction Cup Man blog, it was argued that because Satan can just remove the portal and Cupman would be stuck in hell, which…

For the time was a good argument, however now-a-days this kind of argument really isn’t that good, as we know Suction Cup Man has demonstrated Dimensional travel so there really isn’t anything stopping him from just leaving, and considering said dimensional travel happened while his soul was stuck in a plushie means that even as a spirit he should just be able to leave Hell anyways, however even still.

The idea that Satan even had control over this portal is a little weird, he’s never actually shown to control like, anything? The statement is, that the portal is the reason souls are able to go to hell, so not only would it be kinda weird to argue that he has control over the portal to hell itself, and it’s even weirder to argue that he can just “get rid of it”

Meaning no, Satan cannot keep Cupman stuck in hell forever.

Suction Cup Man Cards are “NOT REAL”?!

Arguing against the use of Cards is really weird, we already brought up most of the arguments for them so what about the possible arguments against them? Like the fact that these cards aren’t even a part of a card game.

But that's like… The joke, the whole point of these things is that they make no sense at all, but are homages to Piemation related animations, and excluding them is weird when they’re consistently brought up within canon, like Cupman giving Guy Business the cards, and the cards being shown working in universe, so it’s not like they don’t actually do anything, it’s just more so the fact of, they work, they do the things on the cards, and are applicable to Suction Cup Man.

He should also be able to have them on him due to his weird Hammerspace and ability to pull anything out of his ass basically, or subjective reality lets him just summon them anyways, and because they use stuff which are shown in the animatics, are applicable to the characters shown, which would let Suction Cup Man’s “CANNOT KILL” status let him bypass any ability which are shown on the cards, so yeah Cupman should have the cards as well as resist their effects.

Cup-Man Physiology explained

As we’ve gone over before, Cupman has a pretty weird physiology which is kinda misrepresented in a lot of the descriptions he’s been given, a main talking point is how his regeneration can be overloaded (like when he got run over in traffic and died) however an argument such as this is pretty weird, when in basically every single other piece of information we have on him states how he “CANNOT DIE” It’s more-so just a setup to a joke, which is Suction Cup Man bullies Satan for a minute straight and then escapes hell, which means we can’t really take it at face value.

For some more random things, Suction cup man can do stuff like levitate his body a lil bit or squish and stretch, which is interesting, but also doesn’t compare to his weird Cognitive regen??? Yeah okay so this is pretty weird, and something we kinda have to bring up directly, in the newest episode of Suction cup man, CupMan reappears within Guy Business mind, saying “IMMMM STILL HEEERREEEE” this is backed up with the creator statements saying that Cupman is actively inside of Guy Business head and messing with it, and considering we know that Cupman can mess and move as his own soul, something like cognitive regen should be okay to use.

Nuclear-Bombsman?

We talked about how suction cupman should upscale anything that the mercs will throw at him, and it would include their equipment like their nukes. Which are capable of reaching 0.96 to 95 tons of tnt. While it's questionable to argue that he scales to this in durability because of him being “CANNOT DIE”, it's implied that he can survive or tank this (depending on your headcanon) that he regenerates from this or just tanks it. Which are both overall impressive and useful.

High Tier Cupman?

Universal Cupman comes from 3 things, Satan and Merasmus, and his creation. There are of course other arguments but anything from the cardgame will be put under the Merasmus stuff because… well the argument just comes from the card game.

Starting with the statement Satan, there’s stuff going on which you could reasonably buy for Suction Cup Man, like the statement which says Hell is his own realm, something he made, and in a stream they said that a Window being enough to take down Suction Cup Man would be able to take down Satan, which by analyzing this statement through a VS lens would imply that Suction cup man is above Satan and therefore his creation of that realm no? Weellll… If you continue reading into this and watching the vod, you get the confirmation that the Satan in this universe is weaker than the ACTUAL Satan, however this doesn’t really mean much if anything due to a couple factors, the first being that we don’t have an actual scale for how strong the actual Satan is? We just know that Suction Cup Man is above this Satan, so that doesn’t really disqualify Universal Cupman, but it also isn’t a good argument to rely on… well on its own at least, considering there is another statement which could theoretically put Cupman above the Universal tiers.

Yes yes, Universal Cupman isn’t only just ONE statement, in fact it’s surprisingly consistent that Cupman can take an infinite amount of damage with unknown difficulty, in the card game, Merasmus is described as having a theoretical limitless amount of power, we can also prove that this isn’t just hyperbole as the main point of the card is that it’s able to give that same limitless power to other cards to make things fair, and we see such a thing in meet the amazing team, when he actually grants Medic an insane power boost, which in this case is that theoretical LIMITLESS power, meaning Suction cup man's immortality should let take a theoretical infinite amount of power, so yeah, High Uni Cupman is fine.

(Also if you don't believe that there's nothing stopping Cupman from just using the Merasmus card to amp his power due to the card)

Finally, His ability to create an alternative universe inside someone’s mind. While there are interpretations to argue for the size of his creation, which includes buildings, the sun and the clouds. The most important factors are space and time. We see atmosphere existing in the mind of guy business and the atmosphere usually is referred to as a layer of gas and suspended solids extending from the Earth's surface and what's above it is space itself, which implies space existing. Now Time, While this would be iffy to argue, We see a given hint of time going faster from the clocks, guy business being replaced by craig who is younger because of his age, and guy business aging up quickly. So it's safe to assume time somewhat exists in the universe that Craig created. Which would make him 4D Uni+ (Take this as a highball)

Dedan

THAT FUCKING COSMOLOGY I HATE
(Where Dedan places in it / A relook into OFF cosmology entirely)

The OFF cosmology is something which has been heavily debated for multiple years at this point, ever since the first Batter vs Omori blog came out, people have been at each other's throats, trying to find any reasonable way for OFF to have an actual consistent scaling, but TODAY, we will be finding out what the OFF universe actually looks like, and if scaling is even possible to give to anyone, but i think if anything, this next part is the most definitive piece of OFF scaling you’re going to see, just so we’re both on the same page, each part will be split up into different categories, and we’re going to be starting with…

The Zones

The Zones are the very things which hold together the world which everyone walks as, they are described as being entire worlds, or in the Room are regarded as being entire countries, something which the Zone guardians control, although the space in which they’re created are often varied for example, Zone one contains multiple smoke mines which are across an entire country.

 Zone two is described as containing an entire city where every Elesen lives, it also holds the Bismark library which was created in mere moments and was stated to split the very clouds themselves, Zone three contains multiple factories, all of which are large in size and are the main producers of the element of sugar.

Of course there is more to this, in the trading cards which were drawn by Mortis ghost himself which can be regarded as canonical show the zones containing their own stars, like Zone 1 containing a sun and Zone 3 containing multiple stars in the skies seemingly creating a universe within the zones.

However there are of course issues with this, considering stuff Mortis himself has directly stated, that being, THAT statement which everyone brings up:

"This I do not know, *Laugh* I think they are zones, in my head they are not planets, but there is a really broken world which don't look like ours at all, it's like a gloating emptiness in which there are like light points which in you can go to"

(The light points talked about here are the Red Boxes, not the stars to quell any confusion)

But there's multiple issues with this statement itself, that being the question asked was incredibly broad being just “Are the Zones in OFF planets or universes?” to which Mortis responded incredibly confused to, but from what we can extract from this statement is the following, the fact that Zones are not Planets…

Which means nothing. It seems as though people have gone to extreme lengths to “debunk” or “expose” OFF as a series for being fraudulent or otherwise, however a lot of this comes from simple Bias, nothing more and nothing less, the fact of the matter is that not only is this statement 3 years old at this point, but multiple opinions within that VERY stream have changed overtime, like how he said he’d never want to remake OFF, despite well…

Y'know, things can change in 3 years, and Mortis himself is very spur of the moment in the way he answers questions, he’s constantly contradicting himself with things that don’t make sense.

So while true that this statement exists it’s not fully concrete, and in my eyes, not even usable in a real VS context because we never get a definitive answer on it other than “Zones are Zones” he doesn’t even answer if they’re Universes or not and they move on.

and again in much more recent art we’ve seen the Zones containing stars or multiple of them, meaning Zones being cosmic in scale is fine, and otherwise is either ignorance or just bias against OFF entirely.

Also no Patrick, OFF being referred to as the “OFF universe” doesn’t disqualify it as being multiple universes.

The Zones get:

        Lowball: Island/Continental/Planet (Using ONLY the in game descriptions of the Zones, and ignoring the issues with using the “Zones are not planets” Statement) Shouldn’t be used as their max

        Midball: Planetary/Star/MSS+ (Using the In game descriptions as well as newer material, this is ignoring the statement about the Zones not being Planets)  Usable as their max output

        Highball: Universal (Assuming that the stars in Zone 3 are an entire universe) Not impossible, still a highball

Physical Extras

This is just here to talk about any extra stuff which is physically within the Zones specifically which aren’t the exact thing in relation to the Zones themselves

The waters which surround the islands in each Zones are seemingly infinite looping areas, this is backed up as in zone 2 you are given access to the ocean you are unable to go in any direction other than Left as it loops infinitely, giving the illusion that the waters surrounding the zones are infinite in scope, this is backed up with the fact that the description which Plastic gives us aligns with the idea that each Zone is infinite in size.

The quote itself explains that without the Plastic which runs through the sea the world would be boundless, people would be able to walk forever and ever without ever stopping, which means that the Plastic created HAS to have filled an infinite space, making it seem like the prior idea of the sea also being infinite in size would have to be true.

The Extras get:

        Midball: Uni+ (All zones are infinite in size, as explained above) completely usable without issue

The Nothingness

(Art by HeartOfCin on reddit)

The Nothing is a place which exists between every Zone, it’s described as a place of transition, it is beyond space itself, allowing the user to travel around at light speeds, it has some strange affects, but on it’s own it has a lot of stuff to go over, most importantly is the Carnivals realm, a beast who appears within the nothingness after you destroy the first 3 Seraphimic incarnations.

The Carnival itself brings the Infinite Valley, a place within the Nothingness which contains well… An Infinite Valley, at the middle of the Valley itself contains a star, this star is the only star within the Valley, however it does seemingly have clouds and an atmosphere implying that there is an infinite amount of (albeit small) particles, making an infinite mass within the Valley.

The Nothingness has even stranger effects on the places which are then consumed by it, during the end of the game we see this first hand, as after Hugo is killed the Nothingness creates an entirely new space, along with the OFF switch being directly created due to the purification.

But it isn’t just creating or closing off small rooms, the Zones have shown some pretty interesting effects on the zones themselves, for example the Sun within the first zone has completely disappeared by the time you go back into Zone one, the nothingness seemingly having erased it, the same goes for Zone two and of course Three, having everything other than the main Zone itself being overwritten.

It’s also shown the ability to create larger spaces, considering it’s already affecting an infinite space, it’s not that big of a stretch to realize that the Nothingness just affects things at an infinite scale, like when in Zone two it created an infinite looping labyrinth with only one way out, and it did something similar to that of Zone 3, where it created a massive infinite white void which looped infinitely as well, with only one way to leave

The Nothingness gets:

        Lowball: Uni+ (Only focusing on the structure itself)

        Midball: Low Multi (3x Uni) (Contains the Infinite Valley 1x uni+, Contains Zone 2 and 3’s infinite spaces 3x Uni)

        Highball: Low Multi (5x uni) (Assumes that all 3 Zones are universes with infinite size, as well as assuming the nothingness contains the room) Probably not true but 4x uni is most likely the best end for this

The Room

The final point in the game is the room, the twisted memories of Hugo, and the beginning of the OFF universe itself, but first lets get some stuff straight, the drawings shown at the beginning of “i had three friends” is literal, the place itself is also physical, specifically being described as “Not an Illusion”.

The room contains 5 chapters, so we should talk about what's within them. The outer layer of the room has a moon, based upon promotional material, and has shown a star slowly glowing through clouds during i had three friends.

But I had three friends is a lot more than just two cosmic objects, in fact it’s seemingly showing the past itself, as a sort of physical space, considering that Timelines exist within the OFF Universe (wait till the next category for more information) its, POSSIBLE, that the Room is able to manipulate the Timeline itself.

The room was also able to hold 3 save slots for chapter 3, all of which are exact replicas of the same area with very minor differences, it also holds the Boxers adventure, which is a story book that Hugo wrote up during his time within the room, illustrating the seemingly earliest version of the Batter, but this is seemingly also an entire planet, a city at the very least

Of course there are also some other Cosmic arguments for the Room as per usual, and what's seemingly to be a theme here is the fact that the room is also seemingly an infinite space, as in Cob’s domain it was shown that the Room infinitely loops, millions of other stairways all of which go nowhere.

Surrounding that possibly infinite structure are millions of stars, all of which seemingly are within an actual sort of outer space, which since it theoretically holds the infinite space of Cob's realm would also be infinite in size… Infinite squared?

The Room gets:

        Lowball: Low Multi (3x Uni) (Contains the Past, which we are assuming to be one universe, Holds Cob’s domain which is two infinites on top of eachother) Your best bet for consistencies sake

        Midball: Multi+ (Contains the Past, which theoretically would be manipulating the Timeline itself, which in this case has been shown to hold a physical space, making each moment a universe… which there are infinite of on a timeline) Probably unreasonable? Best to stay away from this, although it is a possible end for the Room

        Highball: Low Complex Multi (Assumes that the Room is containing an entire Timeline) The Room itself isn’t LCM please do not use this, it is only here to be for completionism.

Before we finish

This will be going over the whole cosmology in its entirety, so stuff like the timelines will be brought up here and what they mean specifically, and why they could theoretically be used for scaling, it also will be going over where everyone places in said scaling with reasonings and whatnot, etc etc, so without further ado let us do the final hurdle of this.

The OFF multiverse is really weird, considering the following, we know that timelines exist, but how many exist consistently? Well Mortis himself has said the following, that there are an infinite number of Timelines, this is consistent with how he thinks of fan games, everything within them is canon to OFF, everything! Mortis has gone on record stating multiple times that he hates the idea of a liner Canonical timeline for things, if you think of it as real, then it is, it is YOUR story to mold, those timelines can have anything within them, and in an ending for OFF, we see that they can even contain parallel universes which have space apes who used the Batter to take over this one, the only thing that exists is what Mortis himself was thinking of while making the game, nothing else.

The Final look at OFF cosmology:

        Lowball: Continental/Planet/Uni+ (Lowest tier here, the verse doesn’t cap here at all and arguing it does is really redundant, there are multiple showings of places getting beyond Uni+ or into the Low multi ranges) Do not use this as their max, it's weird…

Midball: Low Multi (12x uni)/Multi+/LCM (A single universe in the OFF universe contains multiple Infinites, around 12 Infinities to be exact, which then all exists within a timeline, where the past is a universe, which would be infinite across the past due to how time works in a timeline) Plausible, probably the most accurate end of OFF scaling? Depends on how you view timelines.

        Highball: Complex Multi (Assumes that a single OFF universe is a timeline, then assumes that the surrounding infinite timelines are also legitimate timelines which would be Fifth dimensional, and that the infinite timelines all together would be a Sixth dimensional space) If you’re highballing then this is probably where you want to put people.

Where people actually place

Let's start with the actual focus of this blog, that being Dedan (and also the other Zone Guardians by this logic) Considering they’re the living engines of their Zones, holding it together, it’s no shock that they should safely place at around Planet/MSS/Uni/Uni+, Considering all of them hold their zones together which are, or contain an infinite space. Means that it should be fine to consider the Zone Guardians themselves at around Uni to Uni+ based upon what you buy, with Planet/Continental Being the lowest possible end for them, as for speed, uh, presumably they should scale to the Batter who fights Carnival within the Nothingness granting them all Light speed reactions, but considering Japhet pretty clearly shows that their creation feats are just kinda, making stuff and it exists, then them creating something across an infinite space in a finite amount of time should theoretically be infinite? But considering we don’t actually see them specifically scale to this infinite speed zone guardians will be ignored.

Zone Guardian stats:

AP: Country - Uni+

Speed: Relativistic - Light - MFTL

Moving onto someone a lot less coherent being, the Queen. The Queen has always been a weird case, especially considering the whole point of her character is that nobody knows anything about her, and she appears for a very brief moment and then dies, but from what we know, the Queen sends energy from the sun down to the earth for the Zone guardians to create their worlds from the nothingness, meaning the Sun, or at least the one the Queen manipulates has enough energy to give out to each zone guardian for them to create their worlds, so Low Multi Queen should be fine As for speed, considering we’ve proven that the drawing shown in the room is a physical place and not an illusion, the Queen being able to keep up with the Batter should realistically be able to scale to that said feat, letting her get into the MFTL ranges physically, and she should also scale to the iffy infinite speed feat from the Guardians as well, although like last time this isn’t definitive

The Queen stats:

AP: Uni+ - Low Multi (5x uni)

Speed: Relativistic - Light - MFTL

Alright, finally it’s time for the meat and bones of this, and probably what you’re even reading this blog for, a full look at the Batter stats wise, the Batter is regarded as purification incarnate when using the check skill on him with Pablo, we can assume this is literal due to it coming from the glass eye which gives you the direct physicals of said being, we can also tie purification to something physical as there is a sort of explosion which occurs which then spans the entire zone in seconds, these are the ENTIRE zones, while physically things change it spans the whole zone. However there is more, during the events of the Queen chapter it is implied that after you enter it you will not be able to return to the game, this is true, as if you try to go back once entering the Queens room is completely impossible, this however is proven as all zones and everything else is completely erased, hence the statement “You are a Queen of a kingdom which no longer exists” in the french version of the game the statement is as follows “Les gardiens sont tombés, tu es Reine d'un royaume qui n’existe plus” what's important is that last part which is “qui n'existe plus” this is just directly saying that the kingdom she ran used to exist, yet it no longer does, so the Batter erasing the OFF universe entirely should be fine, the Batter also was able to purify the entire room in a couple seconds as well, while it's arguable if it erased the entire room, it did erase Cob’s room specifically, which makes the speed of Purification itself roughly 2.9 septillion times light speed, as for AP, the highest we can go is presumably around the 12x Uni to LCM (this is assuming that the destruction of the room included the past timeline) area of things, as it’s most consistent to what has been shown in that area, HOWEVER, there are some things we need to look at for the utmost highball, that being the OFF switch, which was created by the nothingness after Hugo had been purified, meaning the Nothingness, and therefore the Batter should scale to it, in a stream, Mortis described it as being the end of EVERYTHING, it destroyed EVERYTHING, so if you want to highball the absolute SHIT out of the Batter, then it's arguable that there is some sort of way to get Complex Multi Batter.

The Batters stats:

AP: 12x Uni - LCM

Speed: Relativistic - Light - MFTL - Infinite

Equipment: LCM - CM

… Also the Judge scales to the LCM stuff for some reason due to taking the purification explosion to the face… also he fights the Bad Batter at full power???? Fuck it why not we ball COMPLEX MULTI JUDGE SWEEEEEEPPPPPP

OFF speed feats are le bunk

This right here, is really annoying to go over, but something worth looking into, as previously mentioned in the blog through a note, Light speed OFF is fine, however we’d like to take a closer look at other speed feats which are mentioned in this blog, excluding the one septillion c feat as we think its clear enough, as well as looking at past arguments against Immeas OFF and FTL OFF, simply to cover bases and talk about why a lot of these debunks are pretty silly when looking at them through an actual VS lens.

Original “Debunk”

“The Judge uses flowery language a lot, which means him saying traveling through the nothingness at light speed isn’t true.”

This one is probably the easiest to cover since we already have the fresh translation, and we’ve already gone over why this argument simply isn’t the case, if you’re wondering, most of the FTL OFF debunk arguments stem from the fact that the Judge (or Pablo) uses incredibly flowery language, however this argument is pretty bad? To be nice to the folks who use this argument, people have debunked it nearly 1000 fold by now, (Hi morta!!!) And there's not much we can add other than that it’s simply not true…

Isn’t zone creation instant lollllz??!!

“The Judge uses flowery language a lot, which means him saying traveling through the nothingness at light speed isn’t true.”

Ah yes, this is probably going to be an argument, however something like this really isn’t that GOOD of an argument specifically, considering we have, well, visual proof of things actually being created in series, take for example Japhet creating his tower, the library had been something of previous context before Japhet makes it pierce the clouds in moments, it had become more beautiful then it had been, and we also see this when Japhet creates his spectres, they poof into existence slowly forming before being created, considering Enoch says that they take energy from the queen and then turn it into a solid context, that’s presumably what’s happening, where energy is first taken, and then a physical context is overlaid onto the nothingness, meaning scaling to the creation speeds of their zones are fine

Flying to the sun isn’t true

“The Batter flying to the sun simply isn’t true, as the Room is entirely abstract in nature and when you get there the nothingness then transports you to the sun directly”

This is actually… A really good argument, and we recommend you read more of this Sans vs Judge blog… HOWEVER, in recent years this argument has become moot mostly, this is due to a couple things, that being the remake of the game, as well as new statements which came from mortis himself, so lets tackle the first part of this just for an idea of what's going on, Firstly, the idea that the Room is abstract in nature is true, it’s the memories of Hugo before we meet him afterall, however Mortis has gone on record to say that the drawing shown during the “I had three friends” segment is explicitly NOT an illusion, it is actively physical to what's going on, meaning the fact that the Batter travels to the Sun is very-much based in actual fact, considering we actually see the Sun itself in this very chapter means that this is very much a real and very physical celestial object contained within the room itself, so it’s entirely possible that what is being shown on the drawing is a real star, and in the background of the cliff is also that same star, as for this next point, I don’t think its entirely believable to push the idea that the Batter DIDN’T travel to the sun, as we know the Room is very much an abstract realm, well, in a theoretical sense of course, however what we do know is that the Room also works like the other zones, for example, the fact that the Red boxes save and store your progress, allowing you to leave a zone and go back to that exact point where you left originally, the only time this isn’t true is when you Purify a zone and erase all progress on it, sending you back to the beginning of it, meaning it’s safe to argue that MFTL OFF is back on the menu.

Explain your Infinite speed arguments you CHUD

“Dont have to be so mean about it damn…. 💔”

FUCK YOU.

Because I know some people are going to ask, what's up with our infinite speed arguments? Well it's mostly the following, the fact that the Zones are infinite in size (Or if you don’t believe that, the nothingness being infinite in size) are all things which our cast can scale to speed wise… Well maybe except for the Zone guardians, regardless this feat comes from the fact that an infinite space cannot be created within a finite amount of time, considering the fact that Carnival seemingly created the Infinite Valley due to being the reason of it’s appearance after you take out the other Seraphimic incarnations (Backed up by both Cob, and Justus creating their own realms/rooms) Means that Carnival should be able to create an Infinite realm in a set amount of time, which regardless of what you think, IS an infinite speed feat, as for scaling to it, it should be fine considering we know that the Purification which the Batter uses erases everything once he enters the Queens domain.

ERMMM ACTUALLY the zones CANT be universes because they’re built on earth

This is moreso a continuation of the Zones being more likely to be universes rather than just continents, we’ve already gone over why something like using the anti Planet statement doesn’t really make sense, as it’s just more so a phrase and only really says that “they aren’t planets” and he himself didn’t know if this was true or not, hell he doesn’t even ever refer to them as continents, that's just interpretation. So we’re just going to have to use what’s in game.

Starting with the continental arguments they mostly come from one, yes one, singular statement, which is the following “Maybe we'll dare to sketch out the plans for the countries that will be ours” which translates in the french version… to the exact same thing, okay well, open and shut right? They’re countries and stuff, WELL not exactly, well to be exact they aren’t even continents, that’s never shown up in the game, as shown here through a text dump of the games dialog where the word “Continent” isn’t brought up once, and considering that the term Country does not define an area just a… well country means that this isn’t a fool proof defence, but if they aren’t continents well then what are they? Well the most likely answer is alternate dimensions created by the Zone Guardians, this can be used due to a couple of statements but the main one being "Perhaps you will have fast forgotten this handful of words, the first stars of light in the shade of the world" which is more so referring to the zones themselves, as if “the first stars of light” are being created within the shade of the world, which would make sense considering they’re talking about the creation of their zones.

But on it’s own this would never be bought, if it weren’t for one thing, the Zones CAN’T be on earth because there literally is no earth to speak of in the OFF universe, case in point the fact that the zones exist within the Nothingness, the Nothingness is a place outside of space itself, it exists to shoot things around at light speed, if this were to be earth then shooting around at light speed would be impossible from the distances shown, there is no place on earth where it takes light 3 seconds to reach, in fact it is such a big gap in size that it would take 70 earths to fill JUST THAT GAP between zones, and the statement saying that OFF is a post apocalyptic earth, which I firstly, could not find, and secondly, that’s not a definitive statement, because the term post apocalyptic earth, isn’t a reference for size, but rather a type of fiction, which means that these statements which have been used to continuously debunk OFF down to building, or continental, or planetary alone, simply are not good arguments, and can be completely ignored.

Possible Matchups

Suction Cup Man
(Series as well)

Suction Cup Man vs Dan

(Written by Sumika)

Probably SCM’s weakest matchup, but also his best in my opinion, I can’t think of a single way to do this matchup wrong, these two guys are just going to be hurling insults at each other the entire time before one of them dies, again not that indepth, still really good, read the source linked below for a better description then I could ever give

Source: Recent shares reddit thread

Suction Cup Man vs Toaster Dude

(Written by Sumika)

Ah yes, the Underdog for Cupman, this matchup gained some traction a bit ago due to Aether (HI AETHER HELLO AETHER) so I think it’d be best for everyone if I tried to explain this to the best of my abilities…

The theme is pretty simple to grasp, that being Villain vs Hero, I guess Suction cup man just does shit because he’s a petty asshole, both of them base their personas around specific mundane objects and just make it their entire personalities, they both have some sort of gripe with a guy in a suit who happen to do Business related things, both are seen by the public as a nuisance and well, hero, making it more of a contrast matchup then anything, which is, REALLY funny to me, and both have a specific arc where they lose the items which they love leaving them to try and get it back.

I think my only issue with this matchup is the following, the fact that Toaster Dude is a Kuudere, which as a TLDR is someone who doesn’t give a shit, so while Cupman is hurling insults Toaster Dude is just kinda doing nothing, like nothing at all, or he just doesn’t care, which doesn’t really play well into Cupman, although im sure you could go on a little tangent on how it could work as Cupman gets more and more ragebaited, which is kinda funny to imagine.

As for Fight Potential there really isn’t much going on, as it’s just Suction Cup Man carrying the fight through abilities and such, although Toaster dude’s frankly Crushing force clashing with a Merasmus buffed Cupman would be absolutely hilarious to look over, as for a winner it’s pretty clear cut, Suction Cup Man gets outstated initially and then gets his buff and blasts Toaster Dude to hell, or he Mind controls him with Craig, or he makes him go insane with Penis man.

Overall this matchup is certainly a fun one, although I think Cupman has better, this is a really solid matchup and should probably get a remade blog in the future, just for Toaster Dude completionism, who knows maybe he has some sort of… Conceptual erasure!

Sources: https://aether-untitled-blog.blogspot.com/2024/06/suction-cup-man-vs-toaster-dude.html r/DeathBattleMatchups on Reddit: Suction Cup Man vs Toaster Dude

Paul and Buddy Ease VS Durland and Blubs
(Written by Sumika)

Our first “Out of left field” matchup, and one I (Sumi) made up on the fly, because it’s just objectively a really funny matchup, I mean, you can’t really go wrong with the buddy cop duo who are totally not homoerotic in any way…

The theme is just that actually, they’re both Buddy cop duos who may or may not be gay, who have to deal with some, very NOT normal people, both Paul and Buddy are city cops while Durland and Blubs are both countryside cops, which is a pretty funny comparison, they’re both really indifferent to crime and rather just do the stuff they do for laughs or to make a point in some way or another.

There's a lot of dialog you could write between these four, like Paul and Buddy being overtly serious before the fight just devolves into random bullshit, and Durland and Blubs making fun of them for being Cityfolk, or that they’re soft in some way or another, which leads to the start of the fight.

As for a winner, this one is pretty difficult to think of, I think it's very clear that Paul and Buddy are much more skilled, they are actual cops, and Buddy has INSANE aim, being able to shoot people from multiple meters away, and just having crazy skill with his gun, while Paul is pretty fast, they both are much more experienced sure but im pretty sure Durland and Blubs are a lot more stat based, gravity falls characters tend to get pretty high so I wouldn’t be that surprised if they got some megajoule feat which put them above Paul and Buddy physically, although im pretty sure gunfire is more than enough to take these two down, meaning Paul and Buddy should be able to pull of a win somehow.

Overall, this matchup is mostly just a shitpost, and probably shouldn’t get a blog, but if you want to argue that they should then go for it dude! Make the blog, prove me wrong, for all I know Durland could have an IQ of 30 trillion or something, WHO KNOWS

Guy Business VS The Lorax

(Written by Sumika)

Okay cmon, really, let's think about this… THIS IS CLEARLY THE BEST SCM EXTENDED UNIVERSE MATCHUP EVER.

The theme is that Guy Business after becoming the only exporter of toilet paper to Switzerland has to deal with the lorax being an annoying jerk about “the trees” whatever that means, considering Guy Business is constantly described as being married to his job or otherwise, it's literally just the Lorax trying to take down a business guy AGAIN.

The dialog potential of this matchup is just absolutely insane, I’d love to see Guy Business fight off the Lorax by saying Business comes first and that the Lorax is just a weird hippy, a POOR. While the Lorax tries to speak sense into Guy Business showing him that destroying billions of trees is wrong, especially after episode 5 of SCM where we learn that Business guy has a deep issue with giving his life away for the job, which the Lorax would be able to break out of Business Guy in a fight

As for a winner, I think I genuinely have no clue, Guy Business doesn’t get the crazy high ends which Cupman gets, but if you give him Craig Raisins then that mind control would go crazy against the Lorax, while the Lorax has shown being able to organize a group of animals to attack people, I could see him just sicking a bear on Guy, and just it mauling him to death or something, although im pretty sure his fall from the building would physically make him stronger then the Lorax, so maybe theres something, as for now i think i have the Lorax winning? Who knows.

As for it getting a blog? Well i think it’s just an actual must, I really want to see what the Lorax has, and if we missed anything for Guy that could give him some crazy stuff or something, again both characters are slightly under researched, and I invite anyone who can make blogs to make one on this one, because I absolutely think it would do NUMBERS.

The Amazing Pyro VS The Engineer (cti)

(Written by Sumika)

What is it like, to lose EVERYTHING, a world which has become warped by vision, stealing the memory and sight of the world from a person is a crime worse than no other, and the Amazing Pyro has been through enough perception manipulation, the Engineer, who wishes to keep his power over the world will NOT let that happen…

The themes are pretty blatant, the Amazing Pyro is affected by the Engineer manipulating reality and is trying to get his sight back, the fact that everything had been stolen from him before is not something he’d let go of, sending him on a quest to take down the Engineer. Most of this matchup comes from the contrasts, how Pyro had his past taken from him and the Engineer trying to keep the future for himself, Engineer trying to make reality something which he can bare and Pyro dropping pyro-vision to take out Saxton hale, the person who made him like this, oh also both are office workers originally before turning into the mercs they are today which is pretty cool.

There really isn’t any Dialog Potential here as neither of them really talk, but the storytelling which you could do through movement alone would be pretty interesting, and the stop motion colliding with the paper animation of the Amazing team, would be pretty interesting, I could see the Pyro entering the Intelligence room to see Engineer skewed by darkness, and him then getting ready to swing his axe.

As for Fight potential there's so much you can do here, the Pyro going through every single twisted merc and trying to take them all out, killing them before they can do anything as he gets closer and closer to the intelligence room, I think the main fight itself is that the Engineer warping reality and slamming into Pyro, while he uses the mercs weapons to try and fight off the Engineer, leading to a climax where the Pyro uses the Spy’s sapper to finally destroy the Intelligence, reverting the Engineer back to his original state, before being killed one final time, or the Engineer blasting Pyro out of the building before blasting them and killing the Pyro forever, then warping their body, creating a monster from their body.

I think this is a pretty fun matchup, and something which should absolutely get a blog at some point. I think I'd really want to see something go over Capture the Intelligence at some point, and this seems like the perfect matchup to do so with.

Dedan
(OFF included)

Undyne vs Dedan

(Written by Sumika)

I hate this matchup so much, Undertale vs OFF matchups my Belothed, I think too many people do OFF vs Undertale as a sort of spite thing? People really do not like OFF in the vs space, and a lot of the debunks on it come from people being overtly critical of OFF scaling without much backing… Remember that point in time when people REALLY thought that the characters were weak to soul damage? That was weird… Anyways I’ll try to be unbiased about this as much as possible.

For themes we, uh, have no themes, I think a big point of this matchup comes from the idea that both are headstrong leaders of a sort of military force within their respective verses, which, while true for Undyne, isn't that true for Dedan, Dedan only ever alludes to the Queen hiring people to take out Spectres, although we have no idea if this is even true considering nobody has ever even met the Queen, and then in another instant Japhet says the Queen created the spectres, so uh, it’s kind of redundant.

I’ll admit where Im beat and that is dialog potential, I feel like this is pretty obviously the best part of this matchup, and how there's some really damn good banter potential here, both are probably going to be arguing whose in the right about something, or maybe Dedan claims that Undyne is a spectre and needs to be purified, I’m sure there's a lot more that I’m missing but I do really think that this matchup thrives when you aren’t looking into it as, an actual matchup.

As for fight potential, there really isn’t that much with is interesting, a lot of liberties have to be taken to even make the fight work, but that's the usual for RPG matchups, I think you could make it work with Dedans overwhelming strength against the spears of Undyne, or IDK something with undying…

As for the Victor it’s pretty clear that Dedan is going to wipe the actual floor with Undyne, she will be an actual paste by the end of the fight because she has nothing, She either gets turned into a paste, or becomes Undying somehow, considering Dedans Purification would just erase her soul entirely and then she dies, the speed gap is also just incredibly large, so large in fact that it doesn’t mean anything, IIRC regular monsters should only get around the subsonic ranges? With Undyne throwing the frisbee across the horizon? Although if that’s not true then they’re like superhuman or something, so uh yeah…

Hugo vs Sunny

(Written by Sumika)

What does it mean to want, to yearn, to believe in a truth which is hidden from you, I believe that this matchup might be the best OFF matchup, and an incredible Omori matchup, and originally this blog was GOING to be Hugo vs Sunny, until I thought of Cupman Dedan.

The Thematics of this matchup go over everything I’d want for either characters, both are the creators of their dream worlds, who wish to escape to a place where they can be loved, and cared for, a perfect world where the friends they have will always stick by them, no matter what, they dreamed of this, and they wanted, Hugo wished for a family who would finally pay attention to him, who would love him, and Sunny hid from the truth, regressing into a shell of himself, and creating a world which would apply to him, and him alone, before we move onto Interaction potential, I want to touch on how this matchup means a LOT to me, Hugo and Sunny (or in this case the dreamer) are both people who are yearning for the safety and love of the people around them, but that want is twisted in the worst way possible, Hugo loses his family because his false Mother wished to create a world for him, too busy preparing for the party that she forgot about him, leaving him in his Room, alone, again, and Sunny, who after the murder of his sister regresses back into a shell, this world meant to help him cope eventually becomes a prision, and Omori, the god of this world, will stop at nothing to protect him from the truth.

Fight Potential is almost the perfect thing for both of these characters, it’s basically a full on army fight between the minds of two people, the Spectres clashing with the lower tier monsters, Space EX Husband and Sweetheart fighting against Sugar and Zacharie, or the Zone Guardians going up against the main cast and of course Omori, I think the panning between the two, Hugo in the room realizing that he’s been linked to someone else, and Sunny rolling in bed, struggling to understand what's going on, while Omori tries to manage what's going on within Headspace, and struggling to keep Blackspace underground, possibly showing something breaking through Headspace, as the sun shines revealing the Queen, using her power to create worlds from nothing, and the Zone Guardians reappearing due to the Room, creating worlds from Blackspace itself, forcing Omori to try and play keep up with both sides, messing with the dreamers mind, before Omori erases everything, forcing himself into whitespace, keeping Sunny safe, while the outside world crumbles, only for a red door to appear within whitespace, Omori trying to keep it submerged is unable to, slowly opening the room on the ground sits Hugo, scared Hugo slowly moves backwards, and wishes, wishes for someone to save him, and from that wish, the Batter is born once again, with a new mission, to take out the person who has threatened his father… I wont divulge much longer as it becomes Omori vs Batter and I don’t really have an opinion on that other then “Its awesome sauce” but i think it takes the best Omori Batter, then adds onto it through the Queen and the rest of the OFF universe, while giving the Omori universe more of a basis then Roomori being just “Room 1v1s all of headspace an wins” (Roomori is also awesome for the record)

As for Dialog potential, I don’t really know how you could go wrong with something like this, for example characters like Sugar interacting with Sweetheart and her instantly trying to consume Sweetheart due to, well being a cannibal that eats the sugar produced by the Elesen of zone 3, the Queen fighting Something is pretty interesting as well, as she hurls language towards the unknown, speaking of the truth as something which deserves to be hidden, or creating spectres to fight against the evergrowing Blackspace, i think you could go really deep into surreal horror especially for the ending of the fight, like if Hugo loses have the Judge appear behind Omori as he’s about to submerge OFF into blackspace, or if Sunny loses have the Batter flip the OFF switch within headspace, bringing it crumbling down, forcing Sunny to wake up, and realize the truth, forcing him to come to terms with it, which is kinda morbid, i understand, but also something which I think is very much beautiful in its own way.

Also if you’re asking me for a winner I haven’t got a fucking clue

Please, take the time out of your day to give this matchup a chance, because it’s genuinely one of my own favorite matchups, thank you.

Japhet vs Yoru

(Written by Sumika)

War. Battle. Ruling. All of these things fall under one concept, and that is controlling the world, a world you created from the dirt which you made after years of conquest and destruction, you have destroyed everything, what was it even for in the first place?

The themes of this matchup are something which I’ve never seen get touched by any other Yoru matchup, which is being evil but regretting the choices you had made for the sake of the people who you are close to, the repentances of which all things must go through, despite their surface appearance, Yoru is a devil, she is evil, Japhet is the leader of the spectres, he is evil, but both eventually do one thing, and that is repent, they somehow, despite their nature regret their actions, they knew what was coming, and both look towards a future where they can possibly exist, the visual of Birds is a constant for both characters, unsurprisingly Yoru and Asa have very deep connections to birds, Asa loves them, and this makes Yoru realize that she cares for Asa, despite being a devil she can’t bring herself to go against Asa’s reasoning, while Japhet is a bird, the bird of war itself, a phoenix which rose from the grave of the last and disavoid its past life, becoming the very thing it hated, which is a contrast in itself, both have that past life, and in that past life they were two separate people interitely, Japhet was a nice person, someone who cared for it’s subjects, while Yoru was evil, she killed without fear, and within hell went after multiple devils before being taken down.

The Banter potential of this is genuinely like no other, the philosophical arguments over what should happen to whatever nation is unlucky enough to have these two fighting, also the Nuke and Gun Devils going up against the millions of spectres which Japhet has at his disposal would be really interesting, just them going at it, and how their ideas of the world are better than the others, and the inside debate of Yoru holding back her regrets of fighting against Japhet, with Japhet acknowledging his issues, and how he needs to fix them and make them right, while Yoru denies any and all regrets she may or may not have, and how she’ll never grow to care about humanity,  the commentary of nature and being nurtured by yourself to believe to be the right thing.

The fight potential of this matchup is really good, and something worth looking into, as i brought up before the idea of Yoru and Asa having to fight off multiple spectres which are slowly moving across japan, while Japhet slowly reveals himself leading to the main fight between Yoru and Japhet, and their clashing ideologies, while Yoru uses the Nuclear Bombs devil to destroy japan entirely, and erasing all of the Spectres, before Japhet appears out of the rubble, showing its full size, and creating large towers which slam into her, undoing the damage she had done, and  when Yoru finally gets close enough to kill Japhet she stops, simply because Asa wouldn’t want her to kill a dove, Japhet seeing her repent would call off his attacks, and leave her bleeding out on the ground, sensing her regret.

This matchup is genuinely a fun one, and one which I prefer over the other OFF vs Chainsawman Matchup (Batter Makima is an… “OKAY” matchup in my opinion) and I hope to see more of it in the future!

Sans vs Judge

(Written by Fnaf fan)

Ah, the big one! Whenever OFF and Death Battle are in the same sentence, it's usually talking about this matchup.

The thematics are very solid, 2 perpetually smiling indie-RPG characters who initially show up early on and guide the mostly stoic protagonist and have brothers they love dearly and will disappear for the majority of the game once they die, only to show up at the very end once their entire world is at stake to try and stop said protagonist but ultimately end up failing. They are on a basic surface level, essentially the same character.

However what makes it really interesting is where they actually differ as characters. Sans is a nihilist, he doesn't even bother to stop his own brother from dying or monsterkind from being genocided because he simply can't bring himself to care due to knowing his world is going to just be reset anyway. His final battle isn't that of a hero trying to stop the villain, rather it's someone who knows he can't truly win no matter what unless you just give up yourself so he tries everything to make that happen. The Judge is basically the exact opposite, the world is already lost, yet he still fights to keep what's left from being destroyed completely just because he prefers an empty world to no world at all, this is a really interesting contrast between both characters that doesn't get highlighted a lot.

The dialogue potential is great, Sans’ general jokey and comedic nature clashing with The Judge's elegant way of speech is nice along with how it could have a philosophical discussion in it. The fight potential is… okay it's both the matchups biggest strength and weakness, both characters operate on very specific RPG mechanics, now if you could naturally blend these into a proper animation then it could be great, but if they aren't blended naturally it has the potential to be very very awkward.

Now, who wins? I mean it's had 3 blogs already, if you've read through all of those and this you could probably come to your own conclusion very easily. If you genuinely want my take though, The Judge one-shots and Sans just isn't fast enough to keep this from happening, the skeletons hax are nice but they really could only delay the inevitable for so long.

Overall, this is a matchup I (Fnaf fan_1234) love quite a lot and I hope you enjoyed listening to my rambling (SansJudge for DB 2027 fr fr).

Batter vs Omori

The person who was writing this never finished writing it, although I (Sumika) think this is a fun matchup, it feels like Hugo vs Sunnys equivalent of Metal sonic vs…  Does Bowser have a right hand..? Kamak? Who knows,anyways it’s cool I like it #auraful, Omori sweep btw (shocking coming from me i know)

The Black Knight vs The Batter

(Written by Hollow)

The role of an apostle is to give out a message, a sense of purpose and cohesion- however sometimes these end up turning into bringers of death and change, a contrast to their true purpose. This fact is what ties the fight between the Batter, the avatar of purification encarnate; and The Wormwood (also known as the black knight), guided by the sword spirit in her quest of endless violence.

These 2 characters may share the same path, that of blindly following the mission proposed by a higher being, one paved by blood which isn’t questioned until you’ve gone too deep; yet the purpose of each is vastly different. The batter’s mission is to return a dying world to nothingness, a state of purity after it has slowly eroded into a horrible form (from specters constantly invading the lands, guardians too corrupt to enact their roles, and Elsen who are quite literally too passive to survive); while the black knight acts as a vehicle for Black Hellebore (the sword spirit) to continue her fight against the white queen, making its way through a collection of corrupted tales depicting the fact that no matter the circumstance, violence seems to always be enacted.

While both of these issues may seem to rise directly from an ever-growing antagonistic monarch (Vader Eloha for the batter / White Helleborne for the black knight), these two are later revealed to be nothing more than just a consequence of the circumstances that are more deeply rooted in their worlds, as both of them act more like prisons for their inhabitants which eventually made each go mad. Their connection with the protagonists is also quite direct, with the batter and the queen being made directly by Hugo, and both Helleborne being sisters; making each of their encounters seem more like fate rather than something they could choose.

They both come from works that actively play with the aspect of self-awareness towards the spectator, in the form of a game (batter) and book (knight) respectively. Each of these aren’t just superficial showcases, but are what enable several of the core elements in their narratives. After all, both of them reveal how in the end the existence of each of these is pointless, meaningless, and yet still fruitful. The whole quest of the batter is quite literally a way for us, the puppeteer, to experience the world as a game; it doesn’t matter if we are literally killing off its inhabitants, because to us it’s merely fiction. Meanwhile, the tale of the black knight is presented as a typical fantasy epic that should never be engaged with the more you dive into its stories; it is built as a hard experience to pass through, a difficult game, where the ending never arrives for its purpose is to be an endless chamber for 2 ever bickering sisters to continue fighting without plunging the world with them. In other terms, the fact these 2 pieces are fictional yet real is to show a matter of disconnect we apply to other similar games, yet here when faced against them we are forced to still act like it shouldn’t matter anymore.

Furthermore, the aspect of a fated-path is what makes the matchup click even more effectively due to the stark contrast of each of their goals. The batter exists as a way to fully reset a world, to return it to purity; the knight serves to continue to indulge with a corrupted world, to clip its wings and make sure it stays unable to get out of its misery. Yet both are also victims of this circumstance too, even if they’re more than willing to be mere puppets in a major being’s act (the batter willingly dies when turning the switch off in the canonical ending, and the Wormwood drags himself to come back to life after having to hang himself whenever the book/sword spirit doesn’t need him). There is no will, no true freedom behind their actions, just a need to actively fulfill their own goals over anything else, no matter the cost.

This is why a fight between these 2 would be more than fitting, it would be a test to see which ultimate resolve will stand atop the both. A fight for dominance between two unstoppable forces of destruction, one seeking to keep a cycle going while the other attempts to end it. The batter coming to purify the book in which the Hellebornes are trapped would serve as a way to also put the 2 bickering sisters through finality, as well as the suffering creatures and vessels they brought with themselves too. It is still a Grimm ending, there is no true manner in which hate and violence can heal when it is the cause of existence, but one can still find solace in the empty peace that comes with it. Silence in its purest form, simplicity. Death. It is the ultimate contest of purpose. Death for the sake of an end, against Death for the purpose of more Death.

Batter vs Monika

(written by sumika)

Probably the most controversial addition to this blog, Batter vs Monika is probably own personal Favorite Batter matchup.

Have you ever felt empty before? Through a predetermined world you are given no choice, do you choose to fight that fate? Carve your own future, or will you submit to the narrative itself, the themes of Batter Monika tackle this idea, the Batter is the end, the narrative end point, a wish made by a young boy bore the Batter into existence, the path the Batter chose was always determined by the player, we are a force beyond the game and we force progression, we have the Batter kill hundreds if not thousands, on a crusade to purify the world, to fulfill the sacred mission we must kill a mother and child, Monika was cursed by the narrative, she was forced to become a person on the sidelines, and through the literacy club Monika was able to create a new path for herself, defying the narrative and finally getting the love of the player, real or not, both of these characters are forces of the narrative but on polar ends Monika trying to gain the players attention would go after the Batter, and have to fight back against the narrative once again. Monika acts as a sort of zone guardian of the Dokidoki universe, starting off as a normal girl, she was a normal girl, she existed within a universe, and in that universe she was given power, corrupted by what she had she ruled over it and made it to her own liking, she rules as a god, and thats something the Batter cannot let slide.

As for interaction potential I feel like this matchup lets the Batter be, well the Batter (looking at the last matchup on this list) he gets to ramble about his philosophy, while Monika retorts, as someone who was in the debate club Monika who has an opposing opinion to that of the Batter and would fight against his very words, it also allows the Batter to well, fully express himself, as he Purifies the many copies which Monika creates to hold him off.

As for fight potential i think this matchup is the single best fight potentials for both the Batter and Monika, I think the Batter is allowed to thrive in many ways, especially when it comes to his more esoteric abilities, I’d like to see him purify the very plot itself as Monika uses the script to fight against the Batter, rewriting reality while the Batter simply fights, progressing against the plot itself, as for Monika I can see her actually using that physical strength which the creator actively talks about so much, allowing her to throw hands for once, creating the main DDLC cast to hold him off while he purifies them, I'm sure you can get pretty gory with this, and even if monika is visibly disturbed she tries to fight off against any thoughts with “well they’re just fake” as for the final part of the fight I think i’d want it to be visually represented with a choice, similarly to the final part of OFF, I want Monika to ask the player for help, while the Batter asks the player to keep on their quest, to let them continue their purification, ending with the winner being chosen, this perfectly ties into their character arcs which are played throughout both the fight itself as well as their original games, choosing the Batter has Monika finally lose faith in the player, like she does at the end of Act 3 of DDLC, leading to her ending all of reality, but due to the Players input, the Batter continues his purifciation, leading to the total purification of Monika and the Purification of the DDLC program itself. However choosing Monika herself leads to the Batter’s usual transformation into it’s true self, Monika with backing of the Player is finally able to blast the Batter, even if the world is beyond repair, Monika checks for a past load, and finds it, leaving the Batter behind as a wish never to be fulfilled, lost to time, and falling on deaf ears.

Batter Monika is certainly an underdog matchup for me, while at the moment I lean Batter for obvious reasons, I think Monika has some good argos like throwing his dumbass into space

Batter vs Miku

Verdicts

Alrighty we have our two combatants set, and today we’re going to figure out through their Physicals, Abilities, and Longevity to find out who would win… a KARS FIGHTING RING!!

This Verdict will be split into 2 as both have some pretty interesting arguments which we all want to go over, so fasten your seatbelt and get ready for a nice read.

Suction Cup Man

Physicals

Starting with Physicals, things aren’t as one sided as you’d expect, looking at their IQ and Experience things start off in Suction Cup Man’s favor, while experience is a clear wash for Dedan, actual IQ is just something he doesn’t have over mister cupman, while Dedan is certainly a good fighter being able to square up with the Batter and being chosen by the Queen (which might just be an actual lie) to purify spectres means that he has to have some level of intelligence but nothing which Cupman hasn’t shown before, he’s fought on people on his level or just outright above his level, and is just generally great at getting a rise out of people, which Dedan specifically has an issue with, which means he probably wouldn’t be expecting this scrawny dude to actually be competent enough to be able to land blows, or maybe even outskill him at times.

Physiology only really helps Cup man here, considering his mind fuckery would absolutely be able to overpower Dedans mind, it let’s him deal psychological damage while actually dealing damage in the real world, while something like Dedan being able to use creationism to create a better battlefield, or give him a terrain advantage, there isn’t ANYTHING Suction cup man cannot climb, of course we’re going to have to bring up the Spectres here as well, and Suction cup man has multiple ways of getting rid of these things, like using Papyruswithabombstrappedtohischest to blow them up, or using Heavies hat to wish them away is a pretty good option to beat them, MegaMedics durability negation allows him to take out the stronger Spectres or Burnts without taking too much damage, or using something like 3000 Rats to equal out the numbers disadvantage, of course stuff like the laughing bubbles or the Ah-Ahs are going to be difficult to deal with as Cupman has nothing to actually take them out, but something like Craig who is able to deal psychic damage should be able to distort these little bubbles of information.

As for stats things on the surface are very much on Dedans side of things, I mean at cupmans both he  can take and presumably produce 22 to 95.96 Tons of TNT, which is just great, but even at Dedans lowest he’s taking megaton levels of force with literal ease, meaning it’s not something we can rely on, Speed however is much closer, while the Batter can travel at light speed, that doesn’t mean he’s always fighting at that level, and sure you can argue that he is due to someone like Carnival, the flying to the sun feat or the purification of the room isn’t something that can be really be scaled to Dedan, while Cupman is able to scale of Lightspeed reactors like Pyro, or outright travel at light-speeds due to being able to narrowly avoid Satan's blast, means he could realistically fight at the same speed that Dedan does, or considering he reacts to Light maybe even be slightly faster then Dedan, at least reactionary wise, but Cupman does have a way to equal out stats, which is through Merasmus, by using this card he’s able to give himself an infinite power boost, which should be able to equal out Dedans own infinite strength feats through creation of the zones, which lets gives Suction Cup Man a slight advantage in this category putting him in the lead.

Equipment/Abilities

Starting with Equipment Suction Cup Mans options are generally just better, we touched on some of the cards earlier but a lot of them are really good, there's the obvious stuff like the multiple death manipulation options which would be able to take out Dedan instantly if Cupman were to use them, but multiple support cards like Bobby Que who can replenish Cupman's energy if he ever feels like he’s running out of said energy, maybe something like SkimMilk to let him regenerate Health or give him Shield… whatever that means,  or even BoobGross allowing for information gathering on either Dedan himself or any other Spectre which may be getting in the way, the AMAZING soldier is just outright wish manipulation, which could let him wish for basically anything, like the death of Dedan or maybe even more speed to make him faster, the AMAZING pyro lets Suction Cup Man buff himself if Dedan wrongs him in anyway which is just really good for that frankly shitty power gap, the AMAZING Demoman, and AMAZING Heavy both have 80% chances to instantly kill people in a wide range, which again helps with the Numbers issues, as well as instantly winning the fight if Dedan is IN that radius, Flame Majesty is also really important as throwing an actual Mary Sue at Dedan is something which pretty difficult to deal with, especially considering that they’re also immortal like Cupman, Penny while useless on the surface is able to improve productivity letting Cupman, or specifically Craig in this case find counters or make plans for taking out Dedan for good, which give Suction cup man an edge here.

Now lets talk about Abilities which Suction cup man can use within the fight to either stay ahead or maybe even kill Dedan we got a couple important ones to go over, that being his Reality warping, Dimensional Travel, and of course Insanity manipulation, Suction cup mans reality warping is nothing to scoff at, something like stopping time itself is just outright insane, even if it doesn’t last forever being able to use it while at similar speeds to Dedan means avoiding attacks becomes a lot easier, and his own subjective reality lets him create multiple versions of himself, and considering he’s done this before (bar the part that he can’t fully control them) he could easily begin to overwhelm Dedan if he so chooses to, considering this is a sort of idealized world within his head he could realistically just think of anything and have it pop into existence, like for example, bringing cards to him which lets him circumvent any card destroying which Dedan could theoretically do to him, although the information/conceptual erasure Dedan does could completely shut this down by destroying the thought bubble, it’s not something he’d go for instantly, or if Suction cup man just plays smart with craig and penny could keep it away long enough to will more cards into existence, keeping his advantage over Dedan, his Dimensional travel is also really interesting as Dedan doesn’t have a direct counter to it, for a couple reasons, like he shouldn’t be able to avoid being sent to the Advertisement hell, even with teleportation someone like the Wizard implies that its at the soul level, meaning that Dedan shouldn’t be able to usually teleport out of it, however characters like Guy Business have been able to simply just walk out of the Advertisement hell and be completely fine, and it’s pretty inconsistent, he’d also need a chance to get up and close to Dedan to even use it, so while Dedan has some ways around it it’s still going to keep him out of the fight for awhile, and by the time he teleports back Cupman and the rest of his army should’ve taken out most of Zone one by then, leaving Dedan open to a pretty one sided fight, Insanity manipulation through both Penis man and Craig are something we’ve brought up slightly in this verdict already but going on more indepth things become a lot worse for Dedan, Penis man is seemingly just outright incapacitation (even if realistically due to the many resistances to mind manipulation Dedan has he could overcome it) it’d still let Suction cup man get a few good blows in to widdle down some HP. As for Craig, his insanity manipulation is pretty damn good, not only does it knock you out for minutes at a time but it brings up your darkest traumas and forces you to relive them in the worst way, while Dedan could realistically break out of this through Information erasure and then kill Craig, it would still be too late before Suction cup man hits Dedan with an instant kill card, meaning this Category should ALSO go to Suction cup man

Longevity

Finally for Longevity, the most important point of this entire debate, which could both make or break the win condition is what we believe to be a huge stomp in Suction cup mans favor, firstly looking at his physiology it is painfully clear that Suction cup man should be able to keep himself alive throughout the fight, not only is he just passively immortal but the control he has over his soul means that Purification probably wouldn’t be able to reach him… ACTUALLY, let's talk about Purification real quick, while strong on the surface it has a glaring weakness, the effects it does can ONLY be done after killing someone like shown during… Well literally any fight in the game, the effects of a Purification only really do anything after said fight, or after the opponent has been defeated, and Dedan will never get to that point, why you may ask? Well due to two things, Cup mans massive regeneration and his immortality factor, not only is Suction cup man completely immune to any and all damage as long as he wears his helmet meaning Dedan could never bring Suction cup mans hp down to zero, and even if he did he could always, regenerate any truly lethal damage while Dedan can't keep up.

Talking about stamina, the way competence works means that Dedan could realistically run out of Competence leaving him open for literally any and all attacks, turns out the biggest thing going for him, would be the thing which took him down, so between Suction cup mans Strength equalization, quite frankly INSANE cards, and the ability to keep himself alive long enough for Dedans competence to run out means that Cupman, takes the final category and nets himself the win.

Conclusion

"FUCK YOU, YOU CAN’T KILL SUCTION CUP MAN LOOK AT ME GOOOO!"

Equal:

• Both can be argued around light speed
• Both have Battlefield control
• Both can Incapacitate the other

Advantages:

• Generally smarter with fighting
• While starting off physically weaker can equalize it with Merasmus
• Makes Dedan's number advantage moot
• Mega Medics durability negation beats out stronger spectres
• Craig Rasins deals with any informational beings
• Multiple cards like Bobbyque or Skimmilk let him regenerate or keep the stamina advantage
• Boobgross lets him gather information which Dedan wouldn’t be able to do
• The Amazing soldiers wish manipulation is strong
• The Amazing Demo and Heavy are both AOE death manipulation
• The Amazing Pyro applies stat buffs which can kinda make that strength gap better
• Flame Majesty is a good distraction
• Craig and Penny cards let Cupman gain a strategy advantage
• Reality warping lets him bring back any card he may lose in the fight
• Dimensional Travel keeps Dedan out of the fight long enough to set up
• 90% of the mind stuff Cupman uses can incap Dedan for brief periods of time
• Insanity Manipulation incaps Dedan for awhile
• Purification isn’t the perfect wincon
• Outlasts Dedan long enough to make him run out of Competence

Disadvantages:

• Weaker at the start of the fight
• Dedan could theoretically destroy Cup man's subjective reality
• Most mind related stuff can be fought off
• Dedan could keep Craig Raisins dead forever via Archetype erasure
• “YOU DUMPLING”

Dedan

Physicals

Starting with Physicals it’s pretty obvious that Dedan doesn’t stand a chance in hell against Dedan, starting off Cupman can exert 38 newtons, while Dedan can roughly scale to around Japhet who could create a tower which split entire clouds just by being summoned, which would theoretically be BILLIONS of times higher than just 38 newtons, and even if we were to give Suction cup man his one little merasmus card and allowing him to gain an infinite amount of strength, HOWEVER… this isn’t enough to equal out Dedan, considering that his realm contains an infinity and then an entire universe on top of that means that it’s entirely possible that Dedan could outstat the very infinity which Suction cup mans power relies on, hell the issue is, Suction cup mans infinite power amp is due to just that, a POWER AMP, he would be going all out against a really casual Dedan, and that's not even touching on speed, while sure Suction cup man could realistically keep up with things like a light speed Dedan, there is literally NOTHING saving him from the 300c feat due to the Batter flying to the sun, even if you didn’t buy scaling to this, the creation of the zones themselves are still solar systems, no UNIVERSES, which would put Dedan in the maybe billions of times faster then light speeds, or just even flatout at infinite speeds, which Suction cup man has quite frankly never been shown to get even slightly close to, and ontop of that by using Hasty Dedan can literally DOUBLE or boost his speed by 50% making Suction cup man fight an actual blur.

Looking into their IQ’s and Battle IQ’s it gets kinda funky, while on a surface level Dedan clearly has more experience, Suction cup man is arguably a better fighter? He’s a lot less likely to underestimate Dedan while Dedan admittedly is, but that doesn’t mean he can't take a fight seriously, like when he purifies spectres, he almost ALWAYS goes for the kill outright, while the Batter was given some leniency I don’t think it’s in Suction cup mans nature to refrain from Rage baiting the guy until he actually starts trying, which would happen much quicker then Suction cup man killing Dedan within that timeframe, especially considering Dedan’s outrage is probably one of his best wincons, while Suction cup man is a skilled fighter he’s never been hit with something which could actually send him to hell (again) and considering this guy has a pretty big ego himself, it’s not like he would Expect Dedan to actually be able to kill him outright

Their physiologies are pretty interesting but also don't have a big overlapping, while Suction cup mans immortality are pretty good, the status effects which Dedan can produce are more then enough to slow down Suction cup man, and while he has some pretty good cards a lot of them are generally outstated by something like the Spectres, for example, Fortuna is able to boost Dedan’s luck giving him a pretty weird advantage, and considering the Zone guardians have written the narratives of their Zones it’s entirely possible to believe that Dedan could realistically use the very story of his zone against Suction Cup man dooming him to death, while things like the Informational speech bubbles are able to lower Suction cup mans Competence leaving him open for an attack which would literally blast him to hell regardless of his immortality or invulnerability, considering how many loops Suction cup man has to go through, while being given the benefit of the doubt means Dedan should take Physicals pretty easily.

Equipment/Abilities

Equipment is pretty weird, considering the fact that things like the cards give Suction cup man an insane advantage over Dedan, the Spectres are just more varied and important then the stuff that Suction cup man can do, like the aforementioned Fortuna, Dedan is able to increase his own luck, or something like the lower Spectres or Burnts are able to kill big hitters like Mike and Zach while tougher Spectres like the nuclear bomb, which can affect ALL enemies on the opponent side allows for AOE damage which could instantly kill, per-say the rats which have 5 hp each, anything which can use mute is more then enough to take down Merasmus who needs to recite his chants to do magic, making it impossible for Suction cup man or anyone else to gain their own buffs, Crown of the Dead is able to explicitly heal everyone on Dedans side, which equalises things like Skim milk, while also being able to buff Dedan beyond his current stats, making any buff Suction cup man could produce practically useless, Troq’s are able to lower defence for the big hitters like the Amazing team, leaving them open to attacks from the lesser Spectres, or even people like the Elesen who can take up nearly 300 MEGATONS of tnt just by using an elevator, meaning they could Physically match anyone who could pose a problem, while being able to Mind kill anyone to deadly like Flame, which means that Dedan should have an advantage edge over Suction cup man in Equipment due to a lot of his Equipment either being direct, or blatant equalizers to Suction cup mans own equipment

As for Abilities, things are a lot closer than one would expect, Suction cup man’s insanity manipulation and Mind Manipulation would be game over for literally anyone… Anyone BUT Dedan, while these are pretty strong abilities, things like really weak Spectres are able to affect your mind or even your very soul, which these mind things are kinda about? Suction cup mans reality warping is pretty deadly, if Dedan couldn’t match it with his own Narrative and Creationism, which put him above Suction cup man’s Subjective reality, and while his hammerspace could let him bring back cards which he’s lost, he very explicitly can’t bring things back in bulk, so something like destroying multiple cards means that Suction cup man would have to physically take time away from the fight to deal with bringing back cards which he’s destroyed specifically, and considering he’s never really done this before it’s unlikely he’d actually think about bringing these cards back because he’d just forget due to something like Archetype Purification or Information/Conceptual Purification, Dimensional travel while deadly at first is something which can easily be circumvented by Dimensional Travel, or bringing himself into the nothingness and going back to Zone one to continue the fight, while something like Japhet's creationism lets him blast Suction cup man far out of orbit, which he just realistically wouldn’t be able to come back from, he could always just Purify him, while needing to actually kill Suction cup man to do so, he’s physically strong enough to do so, and is literally just blitzing the guy to the point that he wouldn’t even notice he’s dead, or that he’s even being attacked before he dies.meaning Dedan just all around has better ways to both shut down, ignore, or even outright COUNTER some of Cup man’s abilities, and considering Suction cup man has a finite amount of cards, it wouldn’t take long until he’s lost or outright ran out of them until he gets hit once and dies.

Longevity

For our final category we have Longevity, or, How long can Suction cup man go without being turned into a fine paste, and its… Okay well it isn’t that long, while things like his immortality can keep him alive for awhile, and that healing factor lets him regrow bones in a matter of minutes, Suction cup man realistically isn’t getting minutes here, as form the stuff we’ve seen him do, it took him mere days to heal skin off of his hands, and a couple minutes to regenerate bone matter, and burnt flesh, while these are both pretty inconsistent, it’s safe to assume that the regenerating bones is the default, and well, that's just not happening here, due to a couple things, the fact that he’s never regenerated from being turned into a fine paste which Dedan can do, or the fact that Dedan is able to target your very idea with purification, which would be more than enough to actually fully kill Suction cup man, including Craig raisins, and his memory forms, leaving Suction cup man dead forever, but if that wasn’t enough for you, what's stopping Dedan from, oh I dont know killing Suction cup mans soul? I mean he’s able to literally make souls poof from existence without Purification meaning an attack on Suction cup man would not only affect him physically but also his very soul itself, meaning after all of this, Dedan should be able to shut down Suction cup man's last hope for survival and leave him… Grounded

Conclusion

"You think you're all smarter than the rest. But you're all the same."

Equal:

• Both can be argued around light speed
• Both have Battlefield control
• Both can Incapacitate the other…

Advantages:

• Objectively Stronger
• Just flat out faster (at all ends)
• Purification is an instant wincon
• Soul targeting lets him kill SCM instantly
• Spectres are a lot more deadly then the cards
• Speaking of the cards nothing is stopping Dedan from just ripping them in half
• Mute counters the buff Merasmus could theoretically give
• Reality warping is better than Cupmans
• Ignores most mental manipulation attempts
• Doesn’t rely on setup
• Doesn’t rely of “IF” statements
• Suction cup mans ragebait is his downfall ironically
• Archetype erasure would just kill ALL Suction cup men
• More straight forward in how he wins
• Stamina factors are kinda a nothing burger
• Wouldn’t run out of Competence before killing SCM
• Army directly counters SCMs
• … Dedan is more likely to pull it off before Cupman

Disadvantages:

• Wish/Death manipulation could seriously fuck him up
• Can be somewhat stalled by Mind and Dimensional Travel
• Less variety
• IF Merasmus gets off the buff then stats get closer
• Ableist

And with that… the winner is…

WINNER

Through his powerful abilities, and direct counters, Dedan BARELY pulls out a win, through the better army, muting of foes and general stat stomping, and most importantly, that purification, Dedan reigns supreme! Maybe guy business will FINALLY get a night's rest, because Dedan did what Suction couldn’t, man, while he tried raisin to the top, Dedan was just too in the zone to let Suction cup man rise past him.

Final Tally

Suction Cup Man (1) - Radial

Dedan (3) - Sumika, Fnaf Fan, Kobe

Undecided (1) - King Corporeal

The Winner

Is Zone Guardians leader, Dedan

Hey! Sumika here, I’d just like to say thanks for reading, OFF means a lot to me as a game, and Suction cup man is an all time favorite, even though this blog was created due to an inside joke, and due to the constant bashing OFF got for, well no particularly good reason (I can’t prove it but its undertale propaganda to make that damned skeleton win)

That joke soon evolved into a pretty fun close fight blog. OFF was something I've been planning to research for awhile and this was just a massive excuse to do so, so thanks for reading…

As for the next time, uhhhh… Use this form!! You can use it to get mad at me and tell me Im stupid for my OFF stats, or to vote on what matchup I should do!

Anywho here's your next time trailer