The Neighbor (Theodore Peterson) VS Michael Myers [Kars Fighting Ring]

TN by MonkeyBoi

The Hermit VS The Invader

“The trauma said, ‘Don’t write these poems.

Nobody wants to hear you cry about the grief inside your bones.”

Before We Start…

Ah yes, Hello Neighbour and Halloween, two franchises with pretty fucked canons, so like how far should we take this?

We compiled. EVERYTHING, for Halloween that means every movie and all timelines (minus the remakes specifically because I have a grudge against them) we used every novel we could get our grubby mitts on, as well as every comic book we could get, also every crossover we could use is used here, so like DbD and the Retro realm games are used, for more details [See before verdict]

For Hello neighbour we did the exact same thing, every game in the series was used, the show was looked through, the books, and novels were used as well, the Bendy crossover, and the Eville crossover was used as well.

As for how we handled everything else, anything they’ve shown using is being used as well, if Michael used a fork to eat a burger we’d give him a fork, the same goes for Peterson. For the fight this is how it’s set up for the debate:

Firstly Michael will be breaking into Peterson's house, Michael will be viewing Peterson as family, and both will be fully bloodlusted. Both want the other dead, like eradicated so Peterson “not killing people” will be ignored.

Background

Theodore Peterson

We all have our lot in life. I used to want to change the past, but you can't, can you? All you can do is build a new future. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, right?

In the town of Raven Brooks lived a family called The Petersons, Theodore Peterson was happily married with his wife Diane Peterson and two kids. One of them being a boy Aaron Peterson, and the other being girl Mya Peterson. It seemed like things couldn’t be better for this happy family, until one faithful day Mr and Mrs Peterson got into a car accident. While Theodore survived the accident with very minor injuries, his wife however…she was brought to the hospital and sadly couldn’t be saved, losing one of his loved ones would slowly begin the downfall of this now broken family.

Theodore Peterson would start to become very depressed at the loss of Diane. Things didn’t get any better between Aaron and Mya who would slowly become more separate from one another, Aaron would become more aggressive to his sister when playing hide and seek, like hurting her with a toy rifle, stealing her food, pushing her off the dining chair until one day, Mya would soon meet her unfortunate demise. Aaron wanted to play hide and seek but with a twist, he would steal Mya’s doll and would only give it back to her if she could find it, so she accepted this game and started looking for her dolly. She would then find the doll at the top of the roof and was relieved to get it back. As she was about to make her way back Aaron was furious about everything that was going on after losing her mom, but this pit of frustration he would accidentally cause Mya to lose balance and fall off the roof...The Peterson family had lost another family member and Theodore had to bury his daughter hoping she would rest in peace with her mother.

After the loss of Mya, Aaron was the only family member Theodore Peterson had left, what was he to do? He became overprotective of him and wanted to make sure nothing bad would happen to him, so he would lock him in the basement so that no one or nothing would come take him away from Theodore ever again and could you really blame him for doing this? Some of his kids and neighbors in Raven Brooks began to get a bit suspicious of Mr. Peterson’s emotions with him looking out if he was being watched. So one day they would get in his house and start investigating. After solving multiple puzzles and dodging dangerous obstacles they would soon find Aaron and get him out of the house. But Peterson wouldn’t go down without a fight however. Unfortunately for him this would get him extremely injured in the process, being crushed by a big bird. As the neighbor was trying to get Aaron out of the house...he stayed.

Could you really blame Aaron for doing this? For one he is a kid and cares deeply for his family, and two he and Theodore are the only family they have left...the guilt he and Peterson have after losing people they cared for very deeply and the trauma they would have to live with for the rest of their lives.

Michael Myers

Terror never rests in peace

Halloween night, 1963, a young boy by the name of Michael Myers, would soon be known as a killer, as his sister and her boyfriend go upstairs to have fun, Michael slowly creeps and watches from afar, once the boyfriend leaves, young Michael waits, going up the stairs and entering his sister's room, before she has time to react, Michael plunges a knife deep into his sister's back, lacerating her spine, killing her, as he leaves the home, his parents meet the young Michael, bloody knife in hand, the root of all evil has been born.

For the next 15 years Michael would lay in wait, growing older, driving his doctor, Loomis insane, every twitch and every walk, every silent stare would slowly cause Loomis to break down, trying to find the root of Michael's evil, until it hits him, Michael is simply just evil, pushing for Michael to be sent to prison forever Michael would use this chance to escape the mental ward and when Loomis came to take him to a hospital he would use this chance to attack a nurse and steal Loomis’ vehicle to get away

This single mistake, this single action resulted in Michael taking the lives of multiple people, all to get to one person, his sister. (Or not??) Michael wished for nothing more than to kill his entire family, to feast on the power and trauma that he caused towards them, until a member of his family, Laurie would fight back against him, across almost every timeline Laurie would fight back, even when not related by blood she would never fall to the pain Michael would cause, and when she had her lowest moments, and Michael would appear, she’d fight back, she would continue to become a better person, until her death she continued to fight back against the beast, even if she died her children would fight, and so would theirs.

Despite their struggles, and despite the terror Michael wished to continue to cause he would never be the last Myers, because every Halloween, there would always be a Myers, there would always be a Michael, but he would never have the control he desperately wishes he could have.

Experience & Skill

Theodore Peterson

Peterson backshots.

Theodore Peterson is shown from time and time again to be an extremely cunning, crafty, and adaptive individual always being ten steps ahead of you. After the loss of his wife and daughter, Peterson has dedicated his entire life to keep his son protected by all means necessary. He shows this dedication by making people who enter his house have a false sense of security before getting the jump on them. He's shown this skill in many builds like the demo, the first alpha, the full game, the series and...BENDY IN THE INK MACHINE??? 

Something else Peterson does is when you first enter the neighborhood he is shown spying on you and starts prepping the house for whenever you enter his house (he does this in mere seconds). In general he practically always keeps tabs on those who enters the town. He’ll add average things like having random objects laying around in his house in order to figure out if there is an intruder stepping into his house, Adapt to places you go to or are camping/hiding in. He’s generally really athletic and can keep up a chase (Which is surprisingly really consistent even when carrying something heavy he still moves quite fast) and to the point of catching you. He’s also very skilled in fighting, being able to beat the hell out of these police officers and often going for strong punches or choking.

According to tinyBuildGAMES themselves, they have stated how Peterson's behavior works is like a neural network, which has algorithms that allows him to constantly learn from people who enter his house, including camping in places where you get items or go around the house. Your first encounter with him will gradually change due to how he adapts to you and will use the environment around him to get the upper hand on his victims. This is further supported with Peterson spreading traps like Water Buckets, Cameras, and Beartraps to figure out where you’ll be, even in areas you can’t access yet. Blocking areas through barrication, key locks, needing to enter in codes, and cardkeys. He even keeps an entire Security Room to keep track of where you are. He’s shown to be very stealthy, Peterson barely makes sound when he moves and can be right next to you when you least expect it, like manifesting through fog, popping out of ink like Bendy, or even straight up teleporting.

Speaking of being crafty when we mean Peterson is crafty, WE MEAN IT. Peterson always changes the entrances to his house every time someone breaks in, like always to the point that the interior changes. Peterson consistently always updates his home, making it so that traversing it is incredibly hard and nigh impossible, he always reinforces his home defence. He’s built this entire structure of a house on numerous occasions, made extremely complex puzzles, made traps like the Pheros Tomb, and built machines like The Sharkotron, and most deadly of them all, The Crab Mech.

Michael Myers

Michael is incredibly skilled when it comes to murder, after all he is the devil in human skin, even after killing his sister all those years ago he’s become seriously good at killing, using the dark to his advantage, which he does more than once, it’s actually his main way of getting the jump on people, he’s also pretty well at learning new things, he's also pretty stealthy like using this bar to get behind someone without them being able to notice him, like when he learned how to drive after simply getting into a car once, he knows multiple languages, like celtic, he’s also able to traverse pretty tricky terrain like this rooftop which was incredibly slippery, as with most slashers he’s also pretty good at getting into peoples homes Of course you aren’t here for the basic stuff so lets get into his own skill.

He’s smart enough to know to cut phone lines as to keep his victims close to him and not call for help, he focuses points of interests as well like escape routes or ways to get weapons or self defence items, he’ll also focus people who may help, like officers or medical units, he also often disguises himself to get out of situations, when he stole a medical students outfit to escape laurie killing him.

So what's up with his kills? Michael himself is pretty smart with his kills, often going for the instant kill like choking, or slitting someone's throat, basically anything that nets him an instant kill, he’s also pretty creative with his kills, using things around him to attack rather then going in empty handed, he sometimes teams up with other killers to get a quick kill in, even if that's not enough, he’s able to fight a group of fire fighters who are trained in fighting, similarly to how police are, even if you get the jump on Michael, he’ll always try getting away to teleport and heal back up to go back for a kill, also he’s fought mechs before, which can literally shapeshift mid fight.

Equipment

Theodore Peterson

Peterson House

Ah yes, central to the Hello Neighbor lore, is Peterson's house. As per usual it comes with a home security system, metal bars over windows, fake doors, and creaky floors to catch those unaware, boarded windows and Metal barbed wire outside of exit points, beartraps placed around, and a window with a guillotine on it, as shown in the image above it has a massive barbed wired gate around it, it has pitfalls into spikes, an electric door (multiple), swinging axes, and who could forget the wall of bells used to catch people of guard and make a lot of noise, there's also a chainsaw wall.

The Peterson Mobile

It's… its a car what do you want me to say about it

Items of Choice

Over the years Peterson has gained an insane amount of stuff that going over each and everyone of them and how they work is going to be extremely tedious, so instead we’ll be putting most of his average equipment he has in this category.

Peterson built Attractions

Peterson's a pretty inventive individual, he’s done a ton of stuff as an Engineer, like building some of “The most innovative stuff on the planet” like a vacuum powered delivery system, like what banks use, this can be used to get items easily or whatever else he needs, he’s also built robotic venders which are under his control and stuff he can use for, well whatever he needs (mostly for gift shops but), he’s also made multiple rides, which is what he usually focuses on, like roller coasters or a perpetual motion machine which can only be stopped or turned off by a kill switch.

The Weather Machine

The Weather Machine stated by Peterson was made to “Create a new future” as it was going to flood the entire town.

The Device

The Device, or well whatever it is, is an item which was created by an unknown being for one of many reasons, but what we do know is Peterson got his hands on it (and allegedly created a replica), it can do a lot of fun stuff, Like resetting time within a specific area, while this literally, resets EVERYONE for some reason, specific people are marked as “safe” , it can also decide fate, although it’s unknown if this is referencing “Fate” fate, or simple time manipulation.

The Crab Mech

What in the actual fuck??????

Okay so in Hello Engineer Peterson throughout the entire game sets up traps for the kids to fall into, but after clearing just about all of them Peterson had just about enough and busted out one of the deadliest machines he has built up to date, THE CRAB MECH. This mech is capable of withstanding rockets, crushing things with its big metal claws, and fires a laser. The craziest thing about this mech is that despite needing to inside it with controls, Peterson has upgraded it and can bust it out at any time with a simple press of a button.

The Pheros Tomb

This is quite literal death trap Peterson made for people who chase after him. The Pheros Tomb contains multiple long drops, Zombies for some reason, and spikes, which will LITERALLY RIP YOUR SKIN OPEN. Oh and it also has snakes for good measure.

The Wrench

The Wrench from hello engineer can do a couple things, while we aren’t sure if Peterson should get it, he is probably able to replicate it as he creates his own mechs in similar way, the wrench can fuse objects together as well as freeze objects in place

Eville Items

In the Eville collab, Peterson is able to collect and buy multiple items, we will be charting all of these items as simply categorizing them could be difficult.

FireworksJust fireworks lmao
TripwiresUse in your home to have a tripwire to wake up at night if someone breaks in! There's a 50% chance of waking into in an adrenaline rush to sprint away faster.
Tomb of deathThis is a very useful item that reveals a corpse's role upon use. If a smoke bomb is used on a corpse it will come up as 'Unknown'.
Sleeping powderSleeping powder can be a game-changing item purchased from the Magical Goods. When poured into a player's cauldron they stay in bed throughout the next night. They cannot be woken.
Plated bootsCarrying plated boots protects you from taking damage upon stepping on a trap, They break upon usage.
Lock pickBreaks the Lock and Key on a player's house to gain entry.
Smoke GrenadeUse on a corpse to hide the role of the corpse! Role comes up as 'Unknown' to Ghost Whisperer or Tome of Death
Black PowderUsed by the Smuggler in the underground to explode rubble and climb inside a player's house. Black Powder can only be bought twice and does not restock.
Lock and KeyUse to lock/unlock your home. Locks can be broken with a lockpick.
BarricadePlace on the ground to block others. Barricades can be damaged and broken.
Foul Fly AgaricAlchemy ingredient for the herb witch.
Mushy mushroomAlchemy ingredient for the herb witch.
Red gem dustAn alchemy ingredient for the herb witch. Can be used for
Grey DeathThis herb feeds on corpses in the graveyard, and has a foul odor.
Mage’s BlossomThis herb can be found across the bridge of the castle ruins near town. It has a pleasant smell. (probably smells like any ordinary blossom lmao)
AppleEat to restore a bit of health instantly.
Ham LegEat to restore some health instantly. More cost efficient than Apples.
Herbal TeaDrink to restore 50 health over a period of 60 seconds.

Michael Myers

The Michael Mobile

Stolen from Loomis, this vehicle can move 6 MpH!... cool

Weapons of choice

Ah yes, Michaels MANY assortment and things used as weapons, we have decided the best way to categorize them is by using a list of the series and linking all weapons used, how this would work in a fight… I'm not sure but it's something!

General Items

(Retrorealm Arcade)

General Skills

(Retrorealm Arcade)

Abilities

Theodore Peterson

Petersology

Despite looking like a fat old man, Peterson is certainly not one to be underestimated, he’s done some crazy stuff before, and he seems to exhibit that nature passively, like when just simply being near him can cause minor fear, wait I lied! It’s not just minor fear Peterson can fully TRAUMATIZE a person given enough exposure. Peterson can easily manhandle multiple cops at once when being hit by them, see things happen from a very far distance between him, like pictures of him being taken, and even see people when it’s extremely dark outside. 

His crossover with the little devil himself has given him the crazy ability to pop out of ink and start corrupting the area around him with the deepest pits of ink. In the comics after what seems like he drowned alongside the guest, he is shown to be fine meaning he doesn’t require oxygen to breathe underwater which is further supported in the beta 3 version. In Secret Neighbor you play as this pumpkin head version of Peterson which is confirmed through official art to be an entirely different head separated from his own.

But wait there's more!

Dream Form Physiology [See Before Verdict]

Peterson has the ability to appear in your dreams and control them to an extreme degree, granting all sorts of wacky abilities like creating massive areas within smaller areas, shapeshifting into other beings, messing with people’s heads, and most importantly throughout the entire franchise grow to gigantic size.

Enhanced Eyesight

I'm not really sure how to describe this but in the Hello neighbor show Peterson does this, im not really sure how he does it but he does.

Spatial Manipulation

Remember when we said his house basically changes shape? Well guess what, in the novels we see exactly this, so either Peterson can work in complete quietness or he literally just has spatial manipulation

Life Creation

Okay this one might sound weird but hear us out on this. So throughout the alpha games and even the main game there are these Mannequins that seem like obstacles at first and which they are...but in the minigames where you get powers they will come to life and try to kill you, this is weirdly consistent because in one of the alpha one puzzles, a bunch of mannequins will throw paper airplanes and balls at you so you need to get the Teacher Mannequin in order for them to stop hitting you and let you solve the problems on the board.

Transmutation

After Peterson grabs hold on someone for a good while they will become multiple missing papers or turn into a pumpkin.

Teleportation (Possible BFR?)

Yep! Peterson is shown the ability to teleport to different areas very consistently, even removing people from areas entirely.

Shapeshifting

In Secret Neighbor Peterson has the ability to blend in the environment by transforming into many objects, like a box, or a pumpkin or even into a kid...speaking of Secret Neighbor

Secret Neighbor Abilities

DisguiseScary Neighbor can transform into the child closest to him that looks identical to his disguise target. One way to tell that they aren't that kid is by hitting them, as their hurt noises don't swap. So if a Detective disguises as a Leader, you will still hear the male hit noise. The abilities don't swap either, so a Bagger holding one of the Detective's photos or a Scout wielding the Inventor's Metal Detector is a dead giveaway as a disguised Neighbor. The disguise goes away after you transform back into the Neighbor.
Hunting TrapScary Neighbor has the ability to place down a bear trap. There is no limit to how many you can place down, they take 3 seconds to place, and take 5 seconds before you can place another one. Once a kid steps in a bear trap they are unable to move until a fellow kid helps them up, or the 30 second stun duration is over.
RageWhen the Scary Neighbor gets hit 5 times, he unlocks the Rage ability, which speeds him up for 10 seconds and regenerates half of his health immediately. He is immune to all stuns and damage when enraged.

Perk Upgrades

Door BreakerUpgrade 1: Increases door breaking speed by 5%Upgrade 2: Increases door breaking speed by 10%Upgrade 3: Increases door breaking speed by 15%
Rage ControlUpgrade 1: Increases duration of the "Rage" by 0.5 secUpgrade 2: Increases duration of the "Rage" by 0.8 secUpgrade 3: Increases duration of the "Rage" by 1 sec

Eville Abilities

(Same image we’re sowwy) Peterson can use the abilities of either the Conspirators or Villagers, so he should have both, Conspirator abilities will be marked as RED, while Villiger abilities will be marked as GREEN, and finally Strangers as PURPLE

CitizenSprint: Lets you move 20% fasterCraft Barricade: Every 120 seconds the citizen is able to craft a barricade for free
MayorDouble voting: Lets the user vote twice on one personRole announcement: Lets the user tell everyone their role
Ghost WhispererCollect remains: you are able to collect things from dead players, Ghosts are able to guide you to undiscovered bodies or lootLife before death: Shows you said persons skill
Seer no image??Watchful eye: Lets you view someone from afar by placing an objectTrack target: shows you where a person is going
TrapperSnare trap: If someone walks into this trap they are stunned all night, can only make 2Spike trap: A string trap that instantly kills a player
DetectiveLook for clues: Lets someone look for clues about a personSneak out: Lets the player sneak around at night
Investigative talent: Shows a players role
GuardSecret Protector: Protect an area around your housePike stab: Stab someone dealing minor damageBulwark: Damage from physical sources deal less damage
BarbarianSprint: You run 60% faster for 10 seconds.Axe Cleave: Attack an unsuspecting target and murder it.
SlandererNo imageFace Morph: Change your look to that of another player and use it to deceive others at dayAssassination: Assassinate and kill a player during the day who's standing close to you. Only one player can be assassinated per day by all conspiratorsFake Alarm Bell: Alarm Bell gets triggered, so that people gather at the middle until they realise it is a fake bell
ThiefPickpocket: Steal between 10 to 20 Bronze-Crowns from the closest player. There's a 25% chance that players will be able to see you steal.Plunder: You can loot a player's chest in their home and steal one random item they own. If they don't have one you're out of luck.Master Thief (Passive): Each passing day your pickpocket ability improves. Reducing the chance of being caught by 5% per day.
SmugglerThey all have no images big sadBlast Rubble: Plant explosives to clear the underground path to a player's trapdoor belowtheir homeSecret Trade: Allows the vendor to trade with every vendor from anywhereAssassination: Assassinate and kill a player during the day who's standing close to you. Only one player can be assassinated per day by all conspiratorsAxe Cleaver: Attack an unsuspecting target and murder it.
ShapeshifterAgain no images...how fun.Pursue Identity (Active Ability): Check a player for their role. If it matches the searched role you have completed your goal and your target is poisoned, otherwise you are. Doppelganger (Passive Ability: At the start of each day and night you can copy an ability of a random living person
RitualistCraft Cursed Doll: Select a player and craft a cursed doll, binding their life to it. The doll can be used for rituals.Steal Life Essence: Sacrifice a Cursed Doll to steal part of another player's life and increase your maximum health.Dark Idol: Sacrifice a Cursed Doll to build a Dark Idol, linking your life to that of another player. (note - Any damage you take is split between you and each player affected by a Dark Idol. Executions are exempt)

Michael Myers

Michology

Michael has some pretty cool physiology, while the original movie doesn’t go too deep into it. We aren’t using only the movies now are we? In the original film Michael does a lot of stuff though which could be tied to his Physiology, like being able to phase into a locked car, he also has a pretty high pain tolerance, being able to take a puncture wound to the eye and be just fine, and he was practically fine with being stabbed in the stomach, he can also cause cold temperatures, dropping them by nearly 60°F, he also can hear someone through walls due to the blood pumping in their veins, so it’s pretty difficult to get away from him, Michael can also seemingly shape his body in strange ways, like as a child he could morph into that of his fully grown adult form, and in a more obvious look, during a carnival Michael could morph himself to look like a clown, darkness also seems to follow him wherever he goes, he can also just create razor blades for some reason.

So lets get into his real Physiology now outside the main random stuff, Michael has no consciousness, he acts out of a pure killer instinct, he’s been described to be completely unkillable, because well you simply cannot kill evil, but lets say you did, even if you were to Michael has a multitude of ways to come back, like transferring all of his evil into another person, while this could be described as resurrection there really isn’t much to say on that For now… but if you were to take that evil you will take on the actions and mantle of Michael like not speaking any more, it can get bad enough to become possible possession, although if a child can fight it off (although its been shown to effect weak minded people) it’s probably not the best, however along this logic the evil in Michael's own soul can corrupt people, he seemingly does this to Corey when they first meet, turning him into a killer, he’s even been able to do this to a large group of people, he can also physically attack spirits.

Moving onto other stuff, what about the Runes? Let's say it's something useful for now. While the runes are kinda silly they are very formidable, the original rune on him in the past created viral diseases which killed thousands of people, Michael has been stated to have the power of the Thorn Rune, like when he used it to burn a massive sigil into a wall, so it’s very plausible that he can use this, other very similar runes have been able to tell the future, so it’s totally possible that Michael can do the same.

Now lets say somehow, after all this you somehow kill Michael, what then? Well guess what that's not it, as slightly touched on before Michael can regenerate, and has some pretty good showings of this, like even after losing an eye he has it back in moments, he’s fine with being shot, and even being shot in the eyes, there really isn’t a real way to put this guy down fully, even after checking his pulse, which he didn’t have he was able to get right back up, being stabbed in the heart is also not a way to kill him as he’s come back from that just fine, and he can also survive with a lack of oxygen, like when his throat was slit, but like why? Well the novels give a pretty good explanation, describing him as a corpse, physical damage doesn’t do anything, hell the movies give an example of this.killing Michael physically is practically impossible.

But let’s say, you try to instead target Michael’s soul, if he has one, as you destroy it something strange happens, Michael still lives, but why? This is because the Thorn Rune (told you it’d be useful) is able to let Michael Will his soul back into his body, even if he were to depart from his soul Michael can simply just will it back into him, perfectly good and new.

Before we continue, these next few parts will be explained [BEFORE THE VERDICT] Michael has been described as the Personification of Evil, this could be interpreted as some level of Conceptual physicality, and the movies back this up, Michael is described by Laurie as “Always being there” he is Fear, the trauma caused by his kills keeps him around always, he exists in the mind of those effected, the essence of evil, the anchor that divides us, trying to hide or flee only makes him stronger, Michael is always growing stronger, the more he kills the more he transcends, the novels somewhat also back this idea up with Michael being a thing in the darkness that will always return home, the Graphic Novels also back this up with Michael being described as a being of nightmares, that swallows your dreams, the embodiment of trauma, he’s even shown taking on this idea within the book itself, he’s even described as death itself.

Resurrection

When Micheal dies, or is cut up into small bits, he’s able to reform his body even after death.

Telekinesis

Michael has shown the ability to move objects without fully being there, like during the first movie when Michael locks this door without physically being there, he also uses it to open doors to keep people distracted like shown here

Teleportation

Michael has some Pretty good Teleportation, I mean, it’s his main form of transport afterall, like in his most iconic scene where he teleports away after being looked at for merely a second, he’s been teleporting for a pretty long time afterall, since those first murders, and after awhile he got pretty good at it, like from being able to simply only teleport himself, he’s able to teleport others as well, like when he teleported this guy into a tree, but on top of teleporting others, he does the same to objects. (guess we could’ve guessed with the clothing but)

Perception Manipulation

Michael has some pretty interesting Perception Manipulation, like showing himself to someone despite him not being there at all, hell sometimes he even shows himself in reflections as to scare someone, hell he’s even been able to make others look like him as to scare you or cause conflicting death, he even does this twice because, might as well get an easy kill.

Dream Manipulation

Not very surprisingly, trauma itself is able to manipulate dreams! OOoooOoooOOOo, Michael has shown the ability to go into dreams and cause them whenever, like when he gives Danny nightmares, in the image above we directly see Michael enter into a dream of a woman who had been traumatized by Michael before, he does something similar when he stabs someone within a dream

Technology Manipulation

GIFRUN.COM was created by Michael, anyways Michael has shown the ability to manipulate Technology, like when he called someone without a phone, or when he causes a power outage across a house, hell he’s even gone full FNAF before and glitched out a camera, and can even shut them off entirely, if that's not enough he fully, and basically outright turns off the lights in a room to get a kill.

Fear and Madness Manipulation

At the start of 2018 Michael seemingly causes varied reactions in people around him, this can really only be described as Fear, after chasing Allyson, she has a breakdown within Laurie's shooting range, during this break down Michael is shown for a single frame, leading into the idea that this is Michael's doing, he can outright cause fear in even the hardest of people, or tough people in general, he has an aura around him which can cause people to outright lose their minds, people often keep their distance away from Michael after he causes fear, It’s so potent in fact, that even looking into his eyes for even a moment can cause all of your good memories to disappear, as if Michael himself had killed them, causes them to cease existence, this can then send you into a limbo state where you relive your life, right before he kills you, it can become so bad that the fear can make it seem as if time itself had stopped, right before Michael ends your life.

Dimensional Travel

Michael has shown this strange ability to travel from different dimensions entirely, from the nicest of places like Youtooz (don’t support youtooz btw, fuck youtooz) to the creepiest places where all killers like Michael belong, like Dead By Deadlight, while we aren’t fully sure what happened for when Michael came into the realm, we do know that it could’ve been unintended. Speaking of Dead By Daylight

Dead By Daylights Abilities

As we explained, we are using everything, this includes Dead by daylight, so let's go over what this means for Michael ability wise, firstly is his “Obsession” perk, Michael will choose one survivor to be his Obsession, the Entity will then mark that person as an Obsession, Michael is able to see said person wherever they are.

Next is “Dying Light” When Michael hooks someone, he is given a token, which then slows all Survivors minus his Obsession, which gains a 33% improvement to their movement, and lets them heal other Survivors and unhook them quickly, rather useless for the current situation ey?

Next up is “Play with your food” Each time Michael gets close to his Obsession but doesn’t kill them he is given another token, which allows him to buff his own movement speed by upwards of 15% However harming a Survivor removes one token lowering the max movement speed buff.

(Also his killer theme is something that actually plays when he’s near by lol)

Evil Within

The Evil WIthin is Michael’s “Stalking” mechanic, the more he Stalks someone the stronger he becomes, with “Evil Within 1” Michael has the status “Undetectable” which blocks all form of tracking, this includes spiritual tracking as well as limiting the terror radius, this also increases his movement speed to 4.2 m/s, it also lets him 0.2 seconds faster faster than normal. The “Evil within 2” lets Michael lower his terror radius down to 16 meters, letting him move at 4.6 m/s and letting him move 0.5 seconds faster. “Evil within 3” gives Michael the ability to cause “Exposed” which causes a person to go into a “dying state” after a single swing which forces them to crawl, however this increases his Terror radius to 32 meters, but lets Michael move a whole 0.6 seconds faster.

Add-Ons

Dead by daylight has many “Add-ons” which can buff or help the killer win a round, we will be using them for this blog, we will be using a grid format for easier logging.

(Please ignore how janky the images are, blogger just kinda fucked it up)

Blond HairA single slightly wavy blond hair. Increases the duration of Evil Within III by +10 seconds.  Increases the threshold to reach Evil Within III for the first time to 150 %.
Boyfriend’s memoA "romantic", if slightly sleazy, note left around to draw the attention of a female lover. Increases the reach of Lunge Attacks while in Evil Within I by +50 %.
Memorial FlowersA partially faded and dried pink larkspur picked up from a gravestone. Increases your Stalk rate by +11 %.
Tacky EaringsA very cheap piece of jewellery made from plastic. Painted to resemble precious material. Increases your Movement speed by +10 % while Stalking.
Dead RabbitA grey rabbit which has been opened from neck to tail. Reduces your Terror Radius by -25 % while in Evil Within II. Increases your Terror Radius by +25 % while in Evil Within III.
Glass fragmentA tiny piece of tinted glass, probably from a broken object.It is impossible to determine its origin. The Auras of Survivors are revealed to you for 3 seconds after stalking them for at least 1 second while in Evil Within I.
Hair BrushA nylon bristle brush used to add body and softness to hair. Increases the duration of Evil Within III by +20 seconds. Increases the threshold to reach Evil Within III for the first time to 150 %.
JewelryA large necklace made of beads and inexpensive metals.One of Judith's favourites. Increases your Movement speed by +20 % while Stalking.
Reflective FragmentA tiny piece of a highly reflective material most probably from a broken mirror. The Auras of Survivors are revealed to you for 2 seconds after stalking them for at least 1 second while in Evil Within II.
Hair BowA blue tartan ribbon used to tie hair. Increases the duration of Evil Within III by +30 seconds. Increases the threshold to reach Evil Within III for the first time to 150 %.
J.Myers memorialA glossy page ripped from the 1965 Haddonfield High School yearbook, one dedicated to the memory of Judith Myers. Increases your Stalk rate by +25 %.
Jewelry BoxA barren wooden box in which vanity items were once stored. Increases your Movement speed by +30 % while Stalking.
Judith's JournalA journal identified as owned by Judith M. Myers.Most of the pages are defaced with frightening and disturbing drawings. Increases your Stalk rate on your Obsession by +40 %.
Mirror StrandA large and sharp piece of a broken mirror. The Auras  of Survivors are revealed to you for 5 seconds after stalking them for at least 1 second while in Evil Within II.
Lock of HairA cut lock of blond hair bunched with a black elastic. Increases the duration of Evil Within III by +40 seconds. Increases the threshold to reach Evil Within III for the first time to 200 %.
Scratched MirrorA standing portable vanity mirror which has been violently scratched with a sharp metallic object. The Auras of all Survivors within 32 metres of your location are revealed to you while Stalking. Evil Within can no longer progress past Tier I. Grants +200 % bonus Bloodpoints in the Deviousness Category for Hit Score Events on top of the regular Bloodpoints granted in the Brutality Category.
Tombstone pieceA fist-sized granite piece taken from a broken tombstone. Grants the ability to kill healthy and injured Survivors by your own hands while in Evil Within III. Killing a Survivor drains the Power Gauge by -200 %, but not past Evil Within II. Increases the threshold to reach Evil Within III for the first time to 250 %.
Vanity MirrorA standing portable vanity mirror in perfect condition except for a fine layer of dust and face powder covering it. The Auras of all Survivors within 16 metres of your location are revealed to you while Stalking.Evil Within can no longer progress past Tier II.Grants +150 % bonus Bloodpoints in the Deviousness Category for Hit Score Events on top of the regular Bloodpoints granted in the Brutality Category.
Fragrant tuff of hairA tuft of blond hair which was forcefully torn off someone's scalp.Releases hints of feminine floral fragrance. Grants unlimited duration to Evil Within III.Increases the threshold to reach Evil Within III for the first time to 300 %.
Judith's TombstoneA large and heavy granite tombstone stolen from Mt. Sinclair cemetery, belonging to Judith Myers. Grants the ability to kill healthy and injured Survivors by your own hands while in Evil Within III Increases the threshold to reach Evil Within III for the first time to 300 %. Reduces your Movement speed by -9 % while in Evil Within III.

Resistances

Theodore Peterson

  • Drowning: As shown in his physiology, Peterson is able to survive to breathe underwater.
  • Death: Peterson can comeback as a ghost ooOoooOoo

Michael Myers

Forms

Theodore Peterson

Ghost

PortalThe Ghost can teleport through walls, doors, floors, and roofs, however he leaves behind a slime trail, this ability also blocks doors for a certain time.
PolterlightThe Ghost flickers off all currently on lights in the area around him.
ReincarnationThe Ghost swaps between Spectral and Physical Form, however he cannot transform in the light.

Clown

CamouflageThe clown has the ability to turn into objects at random. There is no way to select a prop. The clown's camouflage will be limited to event specific items during those times (for example, during Christmas he will be limited to presents, during Halloween he will be limited to pumpkins, etc.).
Smoke BombThe clown has the ability to throw a smoke bomb which hinders the kids vision and slowly deals damage over time. Smoke bombs last for 20 seconds and the cooldown is also 20 seconds.
Confusion (Passive Ability)When a kid escapes the clown's grip, the child is blinded for 3 seconds, allowing the clown to grab him or her, or use that time to grab another kid, or stack up and beat down the kid again.

Butcher

Hookcauses the Butcher to throw a hook, which instantly catches a kid, When hooked, Bagger's slow-down doesn't apply, This ability has a 7 second cooldown.
Pathfinder (Passive)The butcher sees the traces that the children leave in the air and can track them by these tracks. He only sees these in Neighbor form.
Fake Crowcauses the butcher to place a Fake Crow in that room, which looks and acts identical to a crow, except it has a pedestal and wooden crow instead of a real crow.

Michael Myers

Fanta

I’m more of a Dr. Pepper guy - MonkeyBoi

Allies

Theodore Peterson

“This will bang with the gays”

Peterson has always been a man who stays as a solo missionist, and doesn’t have any real Allies, of course you could argue that the MC’s from Hello Neighbour 1 and 2 could help, but it’s unlikely that Peterson would willingly take their help

Michael Myers

Corey

Originally, we weren’t sure if we were going to include Corey as he has his fight with Michael at the end and takes his mask and tries to be the next Myers, but throughout the entire movie they work together, so it’s not like they wouldn’t help each other in this fight. Corey is incredibly skilled at killing, killing people without them even making noise, he even has his own mini Michael mobile, and has a very similar healing factor! Although it's not anything near Michaels level.

The cult of Thorn

A cult based on the sigil of Thorn, they help Michael achieve his goals so they can forward their own, its likely they would help out in a fight like this so, we should use them in a composite of this nature, the Cult are able to speak directly to Jamie through her mind, can perform rituals to cause indictment in evil in people, they also have drugs

The Voice Man (Wynn)

A man, whose soul goal is to help Michael, there really isn’t a reason to not include him in this fight, if Michael's in danger he’s sure to be there for him, therefore we will be including him as a full comp, the voice man can do a couple things like, show up to people through perception, causes a massive explosion at the police station, taking the form of Michael to cause more fear in people, or in this case push someone to kill, also possible flight? Also he has a GUN

Feats

Theodore Peterson

Overall

  • Rawest quote in human history
  • Consistently overpowers practically everyone in the series
  • In the show he had a war against the Guest cult for multiple decades
  • Has canonically killed multiple people
  • Fought off (with the help of the MC) the personification of trauma
  • Kept he and his child locked inside of his house for an unknown amount of years
  • Just a overall very intimidating person
  • The show is actually really fucking good btw
  • No seriously watch it

Power

Speed

Durability

  • Raven Brooks

Michael Myers

Overall

  • Hunted down Laurie throughout multiple years
  • Became the embodiment of trauma
  • Took down the cult of thorn and successfully transferred his curse to doctor Loomis
  • Evaded doctor Loomis for multiple years
  • Couldn’t be taken down by Lauries traps
  • Was only overcome by the hopes and dreams of humanity ♥️
  • Until next we see of him
  • One of the biggest horror movie icons to this very day
  • Was able to fight an entire army of demons and then kill their leader
  • Has a higher kill count then Jason midheeze (Lies)

Power

Speed

Durability

Scaling

Theodore Peterson

The Neighbors

GAMES

SERIES

NOVELS

The Guest

Bendy Verse (See Before the Verdict)

Credit goes to RedscreenOfficial And TMK for the calcs

  • Bendy is able to fill a room full of ink (12 Megajoules)
  • Bendy’s mere presence can collapse an entire roof (0.26 Tons of TNT)
  • Alice is able to drag Boris away extremely fast (199 kilojoules) + (67 m/s)
  • Sammy can knock someone out with a dustpan.
  • Universal Bendy is never gonna be real, you just have to accept that.

The Thing (See Before the Verdict)

Michael Myers

Other killers

Random Feats

Overlord (See Before the Verdict)

Dead By Daylight (See Before the Verdict)

(Credit to the Entity vs Flumpty blog by Fenic)

Killers:

Survivors:

Weaknesses

Theodore Peterson

Despite seeming like an unstoppable force of nature, Peterson is still a human at the end of the day and has his fair share of weaknesses. For starters, most of his tech is connected to a power generator and if it were to be tempered with it will shut down stuff like his cameras, security systems, basically anything connected to his house won’t work. But what hinders Mr. Peterson most of all is his son, see after Peterson had lost his wife and daughter he became very overprotective and will do anything to keep him if he is freed at all from the basement Peterson will enter a rage state and will lose all site on what’s going on around him leaving him open. 

Something that also hinders Mr. Peterson is the trauma he has over the loss of his wife and daughter which caused him to create the entity called The Thing the embodiment of trauma, which haunts him in his dreams and makes him relive this trauma over, and over, and over hench why he has a very low self esteem and will forever be bounded to The Thing, making him quite vulnerable to mental attacks.

Michael Myers

While Michael is a formidable slasher, he has his weaknesses, even if he can practically come back from nearly any physical damage, massive damage, or overloading his healing factor can cause him to fall into a coma, this is usually done through fire burning away his muscles, drugging him is also quite effective, although it depends on what you use, it can incapacitate him for a good bit, a more niche weakness but Michael cannot kill during the night of the thorn constellations reapparence, at which point he loses his powers, he also has issues reaching people behind his back because… he doesn’t have arms there.

Onto more real physical weaknesses, Michael has some pretty bad tunnel vision, despite everything he can still be tricked or even confused at times, he almost always goes for one person at a time and rarely kills outside of that one target which can lead him into some pretty shitty situations, if he believes someone he’s chasing is weak or afraid he’ll lunge into an attack regardless of how bad the odds may be, he also always wants to keep his mask on, disrupting the mask or trying to take it off stuns him until he can put it back on, he also has an issue with being taunted, if Michael is taunted he usually goes to kill that person first before finishing his original kill, he also has some skill issues, like fighting anyone more skilled then him or anyone tricker than him can pretty easily outpace him, he also has issues fighting with ghosts, he cannot kill ghosts specifically, but he CAN incap them directly, he’s also susceptible to absorption.

Before the Verdict

Cross Scaling for both series

Cross scaling is a strange case, so how about we start with Michael

Michael has been shown to fight and be on par with Overlord, so wouldn’t that let him scale to ash? The issue is, as with what will be reiterated many times over, this isn’t a “canon” Ash, he’s not connected to his original story which makes scaling to him pretty difficult, even still scaling to someone weaker than yourself shouldn’t let you scale to someone who can also beat that weaker person, IE; if I beat up a bug and squish it, then another slightly bigger bug eats that same bug, would that bug be equal to me? No it wouldn’t. So if that doesn’t work then what about Dead by daylight? Well… while true that the same applies it’s a little different, Michael would scale to feats shown IN CANON, rather than the connected lose canon which would be strange to do, also it’s pretty far out of his usual range (Michael killing someone who stuns Vecna does not make him Shitversal or whatever the fuck Vecna is, looking at you Vecna vs Doom)

So what about Peterson? Does he get his canon scaling? WELL actually yeah! Peterson during the Bendy crossover takes the place of Bendy himself for the first 2 chapters, and should therefore have the feats performed by Bendy (and the scaling) applied to him, and considering he is just a character in Eville he should probably scale to the stuff performed there.

Storm “feats”

So in the 1st Halloween novel, there is a pretty impressive storm feat which was performed by the cult of thorn, by using the Thorn rune, they were able to create said storm, while true that the feat has its issues like the fact that the Cult would be punching in maybe tons or kilotons! However these people are not using the Thorn rune themselves, or on their own bodies, however Michael (guess what the rune surprise tool is being used now) Is able to access the full power of the Rune itself, which means that because of how the Rune works it’s very possible that Michael using the full power of the rune should be able to scale to the storm feat, this is actually consistent considering Michael has actually conjured storms in the past, which should give Michael a good storm feat at around 4.73 tons of tnt

ON THE OTHER HAND, Peterson has a pretty well adjusted storm feat, remember when those kids like, exploded? Well that machine that blew up was actually the weather machine, the same one that was going to create a new future, this machine flooded an entire town in enough water to carry a car, now what isn’t known that well is that the kids who were hit with it exploding weren’t just, dealing with the usual explosion but the weather machine overloading, meaning they should realistically upscale the energy needed to create said storm, which would mean upscaling 0.02 Kilotons

Michael Strobes his Light

In 2018, Michael moves in tandem with a light flickering, other scales put this around Transonic, and while I usually do my own calculations I thought it would be important to analyze this clip, the idea that this is movement is a bit tricky in itself, we don’t actually hear Michael move at all, rather the lights turn back on and Michael appears, infact the only movement we see is right here, during the first stab itself, meaning that Michael moving from behind to bushes to next to Oscar isn’t really a feat, HOWEVER, we can argue that Michael rather used teleportation to get from point A to point B, and therefore reacted to the light flickering itself, meaning that Michael can possibly react at near light speeds, which comes from a change in voltage, which doesn’t change the speed at which electricity moves, and Michael would therefore be reacting at speeds around 11 nanoseconds

Michael and the regeneration issue

In Halloween H2O as we know, infamously Michael uses a double to fake his death, this double then dies by his head being cutoff, in the death battle between Jason and Michael, this is described as him being “unable to survive his head being torn off” This argument requires the idea that Michael would’ve known in advance about his head being torn off, which doesn’t quite make sense, would he have anticipated an attack? Sure, but there isn’t any actual, or REAL proof which supports the idea that Michael would have known about his head being torn off.

Wait! You might say “This doesn’t prove that Michael would be able to live his head or.. Other massive body parts being torn off” but actually, Michael has survived much worse, which in our opinion should let him live this, either by regenerating a new head or a new body, Firstly, damage to the head is never fatal to Michael, as shown when at the end of resurrections he lives his entire face being melted to near bone, in the novels, Michael is able to live his head being split in half, therefore the idea that Michael would be unable to live his head being cut off, is inherently wrong.

Secondly, this doesn’t fit anything we know about Michael in the movies, he is CONSTANTLY described as unstoppable, and the idea that he will “Never rest” which falls in line with past ideas, and things shown, no matter how much damage is done to a physical Michael, he will never rest, even IF his head is cut off.

So… 4D Michael?

So, this feat comes from the Retrorealm series, where Michael is able to take down and kill Overlord, this is important because of what Overlord is, the self proclaimed being that can travel through time and space, the being that controls the Nightmare realm, and owns it, stated to connect the realms, and the power to conquer all the realms!... So, Michael is able to beat Overlord, so why shouldn’t he scale to this?

Well firstly it’s important to note that it’s not actually an entire universe, and shouldn’t be treated as stuff, in his own statement about conquering all the realms, he states that they are within a single universe, therefore even if he made them (Which he didn’t) it wouldn’t be universal, again, Overlord has never stated that he MADE the Nightmare realm, rather he controls it, this is supported at the end of Michael’s campaign where HE takes control of the realm, and it’s very clear he doesn’t have universal powers.

So what does Uniting the Realms as one mean? Well, it means nothing, as you’ll come to learn the Overlord is a massive shit talker, practically nothing he says can be taken as fact without having a pinch of salt to it, this is because he ALWAYS LOSES, and is almost always wrong about certain things, the only time he’s been fully confident in something is when he took a hold of the Necronomicon and was able to conquer all realms, otherwise, basically everything he says can just be ignored.

TLDR: No, 4D Michael, or anything above that from Retrorealms is silly and simply shouldn’t be taken as fact.

Now here's the Thing

(Crash course on Hello neighbor cosmology)

So as you know, during the original Hello neighbor game we encounter an entity named “The Thing” this being is the embodiment of the trauma caused by Peterson, and during the final sequence of the game the player character is jumped by the Thing and taken into a dream world (Forced to fall asleep but whatever) during this dream world we have to deal with both Peterson and the Thing as we are brought into a shared dream world with Peterson, we know that the Thing isn’t Peterson in this dream as we can see it physically walking around while Peterson is around, Peterson is also physically shown being inside the dream (even after we beat Peterson we can see the Thing haunting him in this shared dream) so we can't say that these aren’t the same two individuals, or the Thing is pretending to be Peterson, during the final act we have to fight against a massive Peterson who is also reliving his own trauma, as are we. This Peterson can destroy entire buildings, and his size alone should be enough to produce 17 tonnes of TNT.

But all of that doesn’t matter if we can’t prove one thing, and that thing is true physicality, and you may say that this is easy and that it doesn’t really matter what happens in dreams because well, they aren’t real, but issues arise when you start looking at things that the Thing does, one of those things is physically manifesting in the real world, this is actually consistent across media, like in the show where it once again, it physically manifests, it’s also important to note how real these dreams are, physically things can be destroyed, they’ve been shown to have mass and volume, so they exist within a space, and are therefore real.

So, case closed right? Peterson scales to the Thing because the Thing can’t hurt the player but Peterson can, so you’d need to be able to produce a universal amount of energy to kill the thing! Right? Well… yeah no, the Thing has only ever been shown creating universes within these dreams, like stars and space, but there is literally nothing that gives us any realistic scaling to these feats from Peterson, it’s also important to note that all of these feats take place INSIDE of these dreams, it’s not like Peterson is whipping this out in the real world, he would have to first bring someone into a dream (which he can) to use this, so while Peterson could realistically exert 17 tons within a dream, it’s safe to say it’s not something he’s fully using in the real world.

Does Michael Myers Have a Conceptual Existence?

(Thanks to spycrab for letting us use some links btw)

So… this was obviously inevitable, the very acclaimed and hated “Conceptual Michael Myers” argument, but I think that people shot this down a bit too quickly, Michael is the personification of evil, this is stated as fact and something that's built upon multiple times throughout the series, he is allegedly the trauma that he causes which drives him forward, and exists in the minds of those affected by him (this link is important), in essence Michael is always growing off murder, he’s always growing stronger while evil exists, the darkness which will always return home, and again being the embodiment of something is something that’s been stated multiple times, hell he’s been described as death itself

But to understand this we have to understand why people dislike this argument or fight against it, mainly the fact is, Michael kinda fucking sucks at staying conceptual, and theres not much else to it, Michael was able to stir up the evil and chaos within a croud to cause a mentally ill person to die, without even being there, and it’s entirely possible that he’s conceptual based on that, but of course theres more, like the back of the original Halloween ends dvd, which calls him the essence of evil outright, but in the novels Michael isn’t conceptually evil but rather the shape it takes, and at the end of that very movie we see the exact same thing enacted out, so Michael is just the shape evil then..?

EHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh, with the amount of contradicting evidence given i’d like to present a new idea, while Michael isn’t conceptual, he can seemingly feed off evil and gain its strength, in fact this is far more inline with what we see in the series, Michael himself should be able to, well for lack of better terms, sap off evil, becoming stronger due to it, Michael is, or well should be everything evil, he’s fear itself, he’s everywhere, and in every room, in every shadow, and Michael, is able to feast of this, theoretically with enough Fear or Evil in the world Michael is able to gain strength, or power off this, so well uh.

TLDR: Michael Myers shouldn’t be able to regenerate off evil, while he could heal limbs or his head maybe, he’s not coming back from actual death this way, but he can gain strength off evil, using it as power amping

Fun Stuff

Art

Yaoi by Monkey

Art by Shika

(Random Agenda Posts)

Halloween Movie Tierlist

Just for fun we decided to rank every single halloween movie we watched for this blog! (And the two remakes but we didn’t use those) so lets go over everything here.

D Tier

Halloween 3: I'm not really sure what there is to say here other than, it isn’t a halloween movie, so well, uh 0/10 lmao

Halloween, The curse of Michael Myers: Yeah okay the movie which makes Michael incest is like dead last, firstly the movie doesn’t really make Michael that big of a threat, he doesn’t really do much outside of trying to aimlessly killing, and the editing really isn’t the best in this movie, theres strange cuts and because this was recorded after Donald Pleasence died (one of the best actors i’ve ever seen btw) there are strange edits of what was a conversation which seems strangely one sided or strangely vauge conversations as no retakes were able to be made, we actively had to take breaks throughout the movie to get through it because well, its just a really fucking boring movie with not much to it.

The Remakes: ah the stuff we didn’t use, while watching through these both one and two there are some pretty good moments, Michael is the most imposing he’s ever been and is out right really fucking cool, my issue is, he’s just a normal guy here (untill they change their mind mid way through the film) and while he does have some raw kills, it’s nothing I actually care for

C Tier

Halloween Kills: Halloween kills…. Is kinda bland lol, while it does well for a halloween film it’s nothing that out there that makes it cool, or, good really continuing off the cliff hanger from 2018 was pretty cool, and Michael vs Firefighters was really well shown and filmed of course it does have it’s issues, one of the big ones being that Michael just isn’t shown, and the whole, blaming a mob causing a person to kill themselves on Michael is certainly a choice, and Laurie is barely shown throughout the movie, it’s a bit of a mess, but as mister “Kill count” himself put it, it’s an enjoyable mess.

Halloween 5: Michael fucking dies, and his curse is put on to his last remaining family member, until it isn’t, this movie was supposed to build off the whole Jamie becomes the next Michael it still does an, okay job at showing off Michael, like right after Michael is shot by a mob of people, and of course as per usual he lives this death and continues on doin some murderinnggg, this movie itself is still pretty fun and never really bores, so a good C tier is where we decided to put it.

B Tier

Halloween H20: Ah yes, the most eh movie of them all, has both good and bad, some pretty good kills actually, Michael doing that bar shit was pretty damn impressive, and the whole perception stuff is pretty damn cool as well, also the beheading at the end was fucking dope also still have to bring up that skate kill because honestly it’s one of the best kills in the damn series.

Halloween Ends: The end to one of my favorite series, im begging for more halloween, but anyways Halloween ends has one of the best scenes in the entire movie, Michaels death here is so fucking cool, I love Michael being grounded up into a burger patty, of course the movie itself is just genuinely really well filmed of course, its a really nice end to the franchize, even if I think it had some small issues.

Halloween 4: honestly a really damn fun movie, we pick up where the last movie was and after some monologue from a cop we continue with the crazy Michael kills, speaking of kills, this has some of the coolest kills in the entire series, Michael using his thumb to push into that doctors skull was raw as hell, Michael dodging Loomis' gunfire was also just incredibly cool (even if the sfx were kinda stupid), and speaking of Loomis, loomis being fucking insane throughout the movie was so much fun, and created some pretty funny joke “You don’t understand lutenant, I was there on 9/11, Michael was in that very plane”. in all Halloween 4 is genuinely a really fun fucking movie that everyone enjoyed.

Halloween Resurrections: What is there to say about this movie that’s negative, really? It’s honestly just a really fun movie in general, there isn’t like a thing wrong with it that I care to mention, Michael is incredibly funny here, and still has that imposing aura about him, and yet he’s still got some really good kills, I lowkey forget her name, but when she climbed out that window to escape him, it had my heart pounding, Michael falling out a window (and then hanging) then teleporting away per usual was really fun, and his death was overall incredibly well done, sad we won't be getting a finale to this timeline.

A Tier

Halloween: Ah yes, the movie which started it all, had some of the best moments in the entire series, and was pretty good at establishing itself as the (or one of the) best horror movies of all time, Michael makes his first appearance here and is genuinely a real threat, there's a reason as to why the closet scene is so well known, the ending itself is also just genuinely incredible, and Loomis absolutely shines in this movie, even if he’s a side character.

S Tier

Halloween 2018: ah yes, the back to basics of the halloween films, as a sort of rewrite this takes place after the original, and it just out does the original in practically every way, Michael is imposing, the ending leaving it open for a remake, the thematics of the entire movie, ironically being so good means there's not much to go over here other then well, WATCH IT.

Halloween 2: Objectively the best movie in the series, FIGHT ME. (I agree - Monkeyboi :P) This movie practically sets in stone Michael as the, or one of the, best horror movie villains out there, he’s completely and utterly a monster in this movie, Laurie is incredibly characterized here, and Michael has multiple great kills, the bath scene is one that comes to mind, when he boils that woman alive, it’s honestly amazing, the movie itself even made multiple of us look away during the needle scene which was horrific, Loomis was greatly written here, as he’s practically ON business, and is just really well written here, all in all Halloween 2 is completely and utterly a top tier movie.

Verdicts

Peterson vs Michael

Let's start with stats, just for simplicity sake lets go over Low/Mid ends first, while true Peterson consistently shows being above children in strength, and can easily wrestle an adult to the ground or even fight off the guest who has similar showings, Michael is just above that outright, while Peterson has to kick down doors, Michael can just effortlessly walk through them destroying them really easily, meaning while at low ends Michael is simply stronger, but also in speed Michael should take somewhat easily, while Peterson can catch up with a person pretty quickly and remains fit, Michael is just above this, while Peterson can dodge thrown objects which is still quite impressive, Michael can just outright dodge bullets, meaning he should just be faster at low ends but we have to look at high ends as well, so.

Checking out high ends, Michael should hold a strength advantage, with some pretty damning strength feats at around 611 megajoules or even 4 tonnes and an upwards of 6 tonnes, Peterson just doesn’t show strength at this scale, but you might say “wait! What about the dream feats?” As brought up before the verdict Peterson can access higher end scales at around 17 tonnes and while true that it’s above Michael is practically every way Peterson has to get Michael into a dream, and it’s not something he does physically, however that doesn’t mean that Michael holding the stat advantage would make him win automatically as Peterson can scale to people who can take upwards of 20 tonnes meaning that although Michael holds the stat advantage physically he still would struggle to kill Peterson with that difference in AP vs Durability, but what about speed, as brought up before Michael held a speed advantage at low ends, however Peterson should just flat out be faster, even at Michaels high ends which put him around Mach 33 or even at Mach 26k timing Peterson has multiple light speed feats, even directly scaling to one from the Guest meaning that while Michael should take AP, Peterson with his Durability edge, and Speed edge means that he should get a point here… But wait there’s more, lets go over their

IQ, while Peterson has impressive showings of intelligence it’s not enough to gain anything from Michael, while Peterson is certainly able to defend himself and has been described as one of the smartest people in the world, he’s been outsmarted in a fight really easily, even children have shown the ability to get past his intelligence, and when comparing that to Michael it’s no question as to why Michael would take this, he’s been fighting and killing for years, even since he was a child, he’s able to get around people pretty easily and because he really doesn’t make any noise it’s safe to say that Peterson probably wouldn’t even realize Michael is in his home until an actual attack is made, and even during that Peterson probably doesn’t have an option to get away or fight back, Michael has fought people like Peterson before those who act on impulse, so it’s unlikely that Peterson would be able to beat out Michael here, and even if he were to adapt it’s unlikely that it would mean anything real as that more so refers to adapting to how you break into his home.

For fairness sake let’s just call this category a tie.

Arsenal vs Michael

Peterson has a pretty wide variety of items, and his own house is pretty good, which has a lot of defenses around it it’s unlikely that he could miss Michael if he were in his panic room at the time of the break in, and could see Michael, if that weren’t for Michael passively breaking cameras, which while Peterson would notice it’s not likely that he would actually notice Michael himself, so maybe some of his items could work to alert him to Michael's existence like, his Beartraps, the Shark, and maybe the mannequins could clue him into Michaels existence, however Michael has his own counters to this, not only is most of Peterson's equipment set to a single generator which Michael has actively gone after in the past, he’s also pretty stupid, when things break down Peterson often goes to check out what the issue is leaving himself open for an attack from Michael, and due to how resourceful Michael is it’s not unlikely that Peterson's own traps could possibly give Michael a weapon to use against him, which in the past has happened to him. So maybe the bigger items could help Peterson net a win here, like…

  • Michael vs The Crab Mech: surprisingly while the Mech itself can shoot lasers, and can move around pretty quickly it has its own issues, firstly that it isn’t indestructible, and has been destroyed in the past, and it’s pretty vulnerable to explosions, the Machine itself probably isn’t going to take hits from Michael that well, speaking of Michael another issue arises when you realize that Michael has a history when it comes to destroying robots even ones that are probably built more complexly and more versatile than Peterson's own machine, even then it’s arguable that the machine Michael fought would’ve been stronger than the one Peterson made so it’s more likely that Michael can overpower the Mech (good job Overlord you actually did something useful). What about…
  • The Big guns: This will be going over both the Weather Machine, the Device and the Pheros Tomb, so lets go over the Device first, while true that Peterson should have access to his own machine it’s unlikely that he’d get it off instantly, or have enough time to start it, even if it were to be started ironically its effects are too large to mean anything, when it goes off its more likely that it would continue that day forward to the next month, which would still lead to a loop month wide, meaning that Peterson would have to fight Michael for a month repeating infinitely so it’s unlikely that it would truly help in this scenario. The Pheros tomb is certainly interesting but it’s not something that could truly end Michael, maybe cut him up a little but the ride itself wouldn’t be able to actively kill him, also it would be difficult to get Michael onto the ride without using himself as bait, even then it’s more likely that Michael would just go after Peterson directly than going into the ride, while the Weather Machine is interesting it’s actually possible that this could get a kill on Michael, the Machine itself isn’t actually inside Peterson's house, so assuming that it were to be turned on remotely it’s possible that Peterson could lure Michael to the machine and blow it up, which would actually just vaporize Michael being so far above anything Michaels shown before and putting an end to him, however it’s unlikely that Peterson would take this approach in the first place, as he has shown a love towards that Machine and blowing it up would be out of character, even if he were to be backed into a corner.

So all in all, while Peterson is certainly not a threat to be messed with as his tech could theoretically just vaporize Michael, it’s not something he’d do outright, letting Michael cancel this out giving him an edge.

Abilities

Abilities is probably going to be the longest part of this verdict so lets go over this as best we can, lets start with Peterson and the abilities he has which would give him an edge over Michael, firstly Peterson has some pretty good senses, being able to see people take pictures of him and even see in the dark, Peterson has also shown the ability to see tragedies… somehow? It’s not really explained but that could give Peterson a small edge, looking over some other stuff Peterson has also shown some pretty wacky Physiology, like having a shared Physiology with Bendy (how shocking) being able to turn into ink or fill rooms with it, Peterson should have a AOE advantage with that, and his dream form is pretty well adjusted, it can manipulate space, shaping his form into other people, or even messing with peoples heads, and as said earlier giving him a massive size advantage over Michael, even without that he’s shown some pretty good Spatial manipulation in the past, which could confuse or even trick Michael in some cases, his Rage boost should let him slightly close that stat gap, or make himself more durable and even right out ignore damage, and Eville gives him the Doppleganger ability, letting Peterson copy a random ability (Brought up more in win conditions) all in all it’s pretty solid as to what Peterson has shown outright with his abilities, with some pretty variable stuff.

Of course they also have a lot in common with what they’ve shown, like both have shown the ability to pretty much ignore pain when needed (even if Michael’s is better) they both have shown pretty good Teleportation, making travel speed irrelevant, Body warping and Shapeshifting are both also things both of them have shown, making hiding from the other pretty difficult, and both can probably just Resurrect themselves even after death.

So what about Michael, what does he have over Peterson, Telekenis could let Michael lock doors or keep Peterson in a room long enough to get to him or collect weapons, Michael could also trick Peterson into fighting things that aren’t there like with his own Perception manipulation, which is exactly how he uses it in fights meaning that he would likely go for this option while fighting Peterson, some Dead by daylight abilities could possibly help Michael, like being able to see Peterson through walls, creating cold winds could also keep Peterson on his toes long enough for an attack, darkness manipulation could maybe keep him hidden, even if Peterson can see in somewhat dark areas it’s not unlikely that Michael could make it dark enough to where Peterson just cant see him, the Thorn rune could also help, being able to see into the future is simply just incredibly helpful especially against someone like Peterson. So with all that taken into account who should win this category? Well we agreed on giving Peterson the smallest edge here, as he’s simply more fit for a fight with his Abilities, giving Peterson a point here.

Win conditions

We’re going to go on this in a very similar way as we have before, where we start with a win con one can do and then enter if they can counter it, the one with the most counters will be the winner, whereas the one with the least counters will lose, so lets start off with…

Peterson vs Michael Wincons

  • Peterson vs Dream Manipulation: Michael has some pretty potent dream manipulation, where he can directly attack you in your dreams, or give people nightmares, directly taking control of these dreams, so could Peterson counter this, well, no while true that Peterson probably has more experience while inside dreams, his control is pretty small over dreams, while he could make voids or just bright white voids, they have barriers, and even still he needed help from the Thing to create such a dream, and again in those dreams a lot of them are created and manipulated by the Thing, being far outside of anything Peterson has shown, while Michael could create dreams and manipulate traumas within those dreams at nearly the exact same scale that the Thing could do, which Peterson needed help to beat, which means Michael should take this
  • Peterson gets his soul Manipulated: As stated before Michael has shown the ability to attack and even destroy souls, so could Peterson live that? Well no, Peterson while he can swap between his soul and physical form it’s not something he can really escape from, if Michael were to kill a physical Peterson, it’s not like he could create a new body, and would simply be forced into his spirit form, while Michael wouldn’t be able to say physically interact with that form, he can still literally just stab it, and that would simply outright kill Peterson, as he’s never shown the ability to escape that type of fate, and even after all of that Peterson can simply just giving Michael an edge here.
  • YOU CAN’T KILL SUCTION CUP MICHAEL, LOOK AT ME GOOOO!!!
  • Peterson vs Mind/Madness Manipulation: There really isn’t much to go over here other than the fact that Peterson is just like, fucked. I'm not really sure what there is to say, Michael has some pretty potent Fear manipulation, being able to cause fear in the strongest of people as well as causing full on mental breakdowns, he can even outright kill good memories, it can get so bad that time itself seemingly stops, which completely fucks over Peterson entirely, as we know Peterson is incredibly susceptible to mind manipulation due to the Thing which is directly his own trauma and outright fights him, Michael could actually manipulate the Thing due to his own physiology meaning that Peterson would be fighting two battles at once, which he needed help for while fighting the Thing, also the fact is, this all is simply something Michael does passively, letting Michael edge out the score here.

Michael vs Peterson Wincons

  • Michael vs The Ritualist: As you may know we mention that the Rituals can do a lot of things like crafting a cursed doll, binding their life to it which can be used for rituals and manipulating their very soul. Peterson at high ends should be fast enough to pull this off and especially abilities like Spatial Manipulation something Michael surprisingly hasn’t faced before can stall him long enough to pull it off (although the evil eye could possibly show the true nature of said house letting Michael ignore spatial manipulation). However not only this requires high ends for Peterson, but if you stick with low ends then Michael should be more than fast enough to stop Peterson from using Ritualist. Even if he does pull this off Michael has been shown to have his soul removed from his body and was shown to be fine. It’s even stated that he is a soulless being, so ritualist is out of the question for Peterson. Ability Copy could also help Peterson with him gaining any ability Michael has like Mind/Madness manipulation, Soul Manipulation, and even his own physiology to get the upper hand. Unfortunately this is rendered mute due to him fighting Overlord’s exact copy of Michael who has shown to have not only the same skills, but also abilities as him, and due to his Physiology as the embodiment of all evil, would directly be able to gain energy, and power off of this, allowing him to close the stat gap and possibly net a kill on Peterson after equalizing his AP above his durability.
  • Michael vs BFR: This is the same guy who can not only also teleport himself from one place to another, BUT TO WHOLE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONS ENTIRELY, so BFR is useless. To be fair it could work on some allies like The Cult, but that’s kind of null when we realize that not only on both ends Peterson is outclassed in AP but also the insane number advantage Michael has over him. So nothing stops Michael’s allies from jumping him long enough for Michael to come back.
  • Michael vs Transmutation: This is likely Peterson’s best method on winning, if he grabs onto Michael long enough he should be able to transmute him into an object, ggs right? Not exactly, Michael not only is stronger than Peterson to the point where he can get him off himself, but is insanely more skilled than Peterson in terms of fighting, so he is most definitely getting Peterson off him before he can pull this off. HOWEVER, stuff like Rage Control could close the stat gap between the two (especially since Peterson at high ends should be 5 times more durable than Michael) could give him the chance to transmute him int- HOLD IT!!! It turns out that people in Secret Neighbor are able to undo Transmutation and revert them back to their normal state! So allies like Corey, The Cult of Thorn, and Wynn would very likely be able to pull this off and dogpile Peterson. POWER OF FRIENDSHIP FTW!!! 

Meaning after all that, Michael should get the final point he needs.

Theodore Peterson

"Tell them all you want. They’ll never believe you"

Advantages:

  • At high ends Peterson should likely be more durable, faster and possibly cancels out AP with Rage Control…
  • Bendy’s Physiology and Ghost Physiology ensures the fight will last MUCH longer
  • Transmutation is an instant win if Peterson pulls it off…
  • Has a lot more variety in equipment...
  • The Ritualist is a pretty good win con if it lands...
  • An Absolute baddie appears in Hello Guest
  • Booksmart...
  • Moral victory
  • Get Out is a banger...

Equal

  • Teleportation equalizes speed
  • Both could manipulate dreams
  • Both could endure most pain
  • Most of their status effects from various games are rendered mute
  • Have ways to come back from death

Disadvantages:

  •  ...Is outclassed in low/mid ends
  • …There are way too many things that can go wrong with this wincon and can be undone
  • ...said equipment can be used against him especially his tech which is extremely vulnerable to Tech Manipulation
  • EXTREMELY vulnerable to mental attacks like holy shit it’s baaaaaad
  • …But it’s kind of useless against someone like Michael
  • ...Street Smart
  • Is outclassed horribly in terms of fighting
  • Number Disadvantage
  • Can be killed as a spirit
  • This is a replica of Andy's room from Toy Story.
  • DISGUSTING sex ending
  • Monkey wants Nicky Roth from the hello neighbor series dead.
  • ...it was made by DAgames :(

Michael Myers

"Give it back."

Advantages:

  • Physically stronger at Low and mid ends…
  • Michael is simply Faster at Low and Mid ends…
  • Michaels dream manipulation is able to just fuck over Petersons dream form
  • Mind/Madness manipulation is almost a guaranteed wincon
  • Destroying Peterson's soul is a surefire wincon
  • Numbers advantage
  • Wynn could get Michael out of a tough situation by pretending to be him
  • More skilled in combat
  • Street smart…
  • Can use Peterson’s equipment against him and counters pretty much anything he had
  • Michael’s disease manipulation which killed thousands would completely incap Peterson
  • Most of the movies are really good, go watch them
  • Autistic Icon (I don’t gaf about what you think he’s autistic fuck off)

Equal

  • Teleportation equalizes speed
  • Both could manipulate dreams
  • Both could endure most pain
  • Most of their status effects from various games are rendered mute
  • Have ways to come back from death

Disadvantages:

  • …Peterson is simply more durable
  • … At high ends Peterson is faster (Although Teleportation makes this redundant)
  • ...Book Smart
  • We had to make 5 joke disadvantages for how bad this was.
  • Overlord is the biggest fraud to have ever existed
  • Fanta is mid af ~ Monkeyboi
  • Hey so what the fuck is up with The Curse of Michael Myers
  • Hey guys! Michael Myers here

Final Tally

Theodore Peterson (0) - he’s with his wife and daughter now

Michael Myers (4) - Shika, MonkeyBoi, Yoggy and Iceking

Undecided (1) - Normal

Update on KFR: Howdy folks, Lucy here, some of you may understand what happened or hadn’t but you probably don’t need to know regardless, something that has affected my own personal mental well being has led me to “leave” KFR, as for what that means, nothing really, ownership has been transferred to a good friend of mine, NormallyNormal, any and all updates or blogs will come from them, I may appear on blogs but I won’t most of the time, as for Scarlet king vs Zalgo, that's still going on, and any other blogs that were planned will still happen, just as a note, this blog will not have a “next time” but there will be more blogs in the future, so stay tuned for those… thanks!

Comments

  1. Having Halloween Ends in B tier is a crime. But in seriousness, good blog!

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  2. Hey Kars want to ask.
    i have found some vs matchups im interested on seeing you making it into another vs blog so heres the matchups:
    Scarlet King vs Zalgo
    SCP 682 vs Doomsday
    Asriel Dreemurr vs The Princess (Slay The Princess)
    Bill Cipher vs Godzilla Ultima
    The Emperor Of Mankind (WH40K) vs Gilgamesh (Fate)

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    1. Howdy! Thanks for the recommendations!
      However a couple these aren't really possible atm
      Scarlet king vs Zalgo is... well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4LbgkL2ogw
      682DOOM is something i've had my eyes on but i reccomend just watching the fanbattle as it goes over p much everything for the matchup
      AsrielPrincess is something that has been consistently brought to my attention, so maybe look out for that in the future!
      Bill Ultima, is something new im hearing of so ill lookinto that!

      as for the last one i got no clue....

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